Does Money Make You Mean?

[Abyss]

I cant wait till you earn enough to cloud that simplistic view and challenge yourself to think a bit

Apparently once that happens, I'll be enlightened but also a bigger dickhead arty

I'm just generalizing mang. Being poor sucks ass, it's not like I prefer it because I'm afraid if I improve my career I'm going to become a supervillain or something. I like the idea of being a benefactor if only because that way I'll know a lot of money is being spent on things that help people instead of a $10,000 gold watch to show off how much status I have.

I'm pretty determined to make a better living for myself, that obviously takes money. It's not how much money you have really, it's what you do with it. Fuck, if I somehow inherited a billion dollars I'd build shit that everyone could use and appreciate. Like a toll road in the SC mountains with no speed limit

 

[Eldritch]

Philosophical good/bad is pretty much meaningless beyond fun discussions because, go anywhere in the world and kill someone for fun and see what happens. You can argue the arbitrary nature of morality with your executioner while pretending to enjoy the sword in your gut..

We could go on and on about the fact (not opinion) that morality is a human invention and dynamically relative to perception, culture and circumstances, but honestly what is the point? In the odd case you get me and K714 arguing on the same side of the same case in the same thread, you can pretty much rest assured the opposite side of the argument is going to get steamrolled.

I can't either, I'm gonna buy so much shit and become really insensitive arty

Sensitivity and nice are not the same thing.

 

[kevin 714]

We could go on and on about the fact (not opinion) that morality is a human invention and dynamically relative to perception, culture and circumstances, but honestly what is the point? In the odd case you get me and K714 arguing on the same side of the same case in the same thread, you can pretty much rest assured the opposite side of the argument is going to get steamrolled.

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[Abyss]

We could go on and on about the fact (not opinion) that morality is a human invention and dynamically relative to perception, culture and circumstances, but honestly what is the point? In the odd case you get me and K714 arguing on the same side of the same case in the same thread, you can pretty much rest assured the opposite side of the argument is going to get steamrolled.



Sensitivity and nice are not the same thing.

If you're sensitive to other people's needs but you don't do anything about it, you're mean. If you're insensitive, you don't give a fuck in the first place, which is also pretty mean.

 

[byke]

We could go on and on about the fact (not opinion) that morality is a human invention and dynamically relative to perception, culture and circumstances, but honestly what is the point? In the odd case you get me and K714 arguing on the same side of the same case in the same thread, you can pretty much rest assured the opposite side of the argument is going to get steamrolled.

I'm not arguing this point, I'm just saying it's meaningless in reality/practice.

 

[Abyss]

i guess not if you're simple minded.

Damn, I must make it really hard for people to tell when I'm not being completely serious

I'm too smart to honestly believe any relationship in this world is that simple.

 

[mike23w]

We could go on and on about the fact (not opinion) that morality is a human invention.

morality is the distinction between right or wrong.

don't apes have some base morals similar to humans? (eg wrong/bad to kill)

if they do, then it's not strictly speaking a human invention.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

We could go on and on about the fact (not opinion) that morality is a human invention -----cut----

That is false. The idea that morality is a human invention is a philosophical opinion. In this case, it's used to further your own personal political opinions which is consistently explicitly fascist. If there is no right and wrong, then oppressing large swaths of people can be justified simply telling a lie and representing it as truth since there is no right and wrong. If there is no such thing as right and wrong, then people can be used up and thrown away for the benefit of a few while the very rich lie and blame the poor for doing it to themselves; when it fact, the rich engineered the system to benefit themselves.

 

[corndog67]

I also noticed that when I was in East Oakland, people there would drive slower than just about everywhere else. They would stop for people walking across the street. Which makes me think....

Why do people have to be so "on time"? What's the rush? So what if you're late?

Time is money (rich people talk).

 

[#1Freak]

elmer, do you ever find happiness in your life? Do you ever have fun? I hope you do, cause your online persona makes it seem your world is very dark and sad.

 

[channelcat]

Only a poor person would make a thread like this

no shit.

 

[TheRobSJ]

Time is money (rich people talk).

I remember awhile back here in the sink there was some thread about occupy Wall Street or whatever where the masses were super pissed about CEO's ridiculous salaries and flying private jets. And I defended the execs because time truly is money with those people. And a lot of money too.

If you're a CEO of a big corporation and when you break it down, you pretty much have an hourly rate of tens of thousands per hour...how much are the stockholders getting their money's worth having you fly commercial? All the time wasted with TSA, boarding, baggage, rental car, and all the other time sucks that go with traveling with the common folk.

 

[kevin 714]

If that is truly your position, I respect that and have no grand argument for it. I personally believe we have a greater responsibility to realize our own genetic potential, but your position, whose argument is relatively obvious once the position is stated, seems to me to be logically sound and unsentimental.

Hell, I thought I was a guy that craved for the more primitive values of old. Good lord, man, you have me beat there. Good for you.

 

[bcv_west]

I remember awhile back here in the sink there was some thread about occupy Wall Street or whatever where the masses were super pissed about CEO's ridiculous salaries and flying private jets. And I defended the execs because time truly is money with those people. And a lot of money too.

If you're a CEO of a big corporation and when you break it down, you pretty much have an hourly rate of tens of thousands per hour...how much are the stockholders getting their money's worth having you fly commercial? All the time wasted with TSA, boarding, baggage, rental car, and all the other time sucks that go with traveling with the common folk.

That presumes that the stockholders are getting their money's worth to begin with, which a number of studies have shown is dubious at best.

Regardless, I've spent enough time in corporate America to tell you that's bogus. Companies have private jets for the same reason they have bowls of M&Ms in the break room, their competitors have them and they need to match the perks to attract top talent. If anything, C-level execs are the ultimate example of money turning you into an entitled jerk. When the economy went to shit in 2008 and a bunch of companies quit leasing their jets and mandated cattle car travel for everyone, their execs didn't suddenly get less productive.

 

[goodness-707]

Am I evil?

To anyone who is blindly dogmatic, yes.

But even with the axe wielding, You seem like an OK person to me.

 

[channelcat]

playing the game has always been apart of attaining wealth and prestige. If hard work is all you know, unfortunately, all you're going to get is more hard work.
Administrative meritocracy went out the window after the early Ottoman Empire.
Tell me how Janet Napolitano could be qualified to serve as Homeland Security AND UC Chancellor. Helluva skill set. Not.

 

[channelcat]

That is false. The idea that morality is a human invention is a philosophical opinion. In this case, it's used to further your own personal political opinions which is consistently explicitly fascist. If there is no right and wrong, then oppressing large swaths of people can be justified simply telling a lie and representing it as truth since there is no right and wrong. If there is no such thing as right and wrong, then people can be used up and thrown away for the benefit of a few while the very rich lie and blame the poor for doing it to themselves; when it fact, the rich engineered the system to benefit themselves.

yes, morality borne from other than biological imperative is a construct to provide an economic framework for the benefit of the constructors. Sort of like the Matrix.
You are living in a world of illusion. Get used to it, and get on with it, or just go slouch around the streets of East Oakland waiting for your parents to die so you get their house. Nobody cares.

 

[TheRobSJ]

That presumes that the stockholders are getting their money's worth to begin with, which a number of studies have shown is dubious at best.

Regardless, I've spent enough time in corporate America to tell you that's bogus. Companies have private jets for the same reason they have bowls of M&Ms in the break room, their competitors have them and they need to match the perks to attract top talent. If anything, C-level execs are the ultimate example of money turning you into an entitled jerk. When the economy went to shit in 2008 and a bunch of companies quit leasing their jets and mandated cattle car travel for everyone, their execs didn't suddenly get less productive.

Oh I absolutely know it's a luxury perk. But unlike the M&Ms, the jets do serve a purpose. My lady is the executive assistant to the CFO/EVP of one of the biggest companies in the world. Domestic...he flies private, uses a car service, the whole nine. It saves a couple hours getting into and out of an airport every time. That's a couple more hours that day he can be taking meetings and making decisions in his office. And he's not an entitled jerk. He's actually a pretty nice guy who doesn't think he's entitled (probably since he didn't from a wealthy family). Though he does have a Tesla, so I'm sure the OP doesn't think so.

 

[Sharky]

No. I'm sayinh that I, Kevin, feel it's bad. But that's my world view. My works view is not absolute and there's no inherent goodness or badness in the wold


And I don't apply the same sense of morals to a cat that I do humans. To me there's a difference between what a cat does as an expression of a trait and what humans do to be entertained. And again, it's just MY opinion.

I've already said a serial killer has no place in society.


But what about a soldier who is good at his Job and happens ro enjoy killing people. The only difference is he enjoys killing the accepted people that society allows

Do you have a belief?

 

[scootergmc]

Do you have a belief?

No need. Perks of relativism.