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Does Money Make You Mean?

yeah, I don't see how you can not believe in the concept of evil, unless you don't believe in a concept of good. We live in a duality, that creates the definition and tension of the two. You can't wish it away or philosophize it away.

That's why some of the gnostics felt that this world is extremely flawed and that our God Jehovah (can't remember alternate name) was an evil being that created it without divine authority or permission, sort of an imperfect, bastardized level of creation. It helped them understand the cruelty of nature, the violence of earthquakes and other natural events. When you read these long-version creation myths, it makes Genesis look like the court reporter's version of events. He was a jealous god because he was a flawed god, etc etc. If you like such things, gets the Gnostic Bible, edited by Marvin Meyer.

On the one hand, the Gnostics seemed to want to Greek-ify everything by coming up with these elaborate explanations of levels of creation and such. But, once having been exposed to them, Genesis makes more sense, because you realize it was simplified, dumbed down and clumsily at that (there are actually two parts where woman is created, which I never understood, for example). But they definitely explored the concepts of good and evil as such...

Online:
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
 
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Good and evil are opinions not facts


That doesn't mean a serial killer should be absolved of his guilt. He still has no place in a society and should be removed from it
 
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carries an axe said:
I am committed to making a large sum of money and using it to live comfortably.

I will also reward those around me who I love.

Am I evil?
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oobus said:
I fear that Kevin may end up living out in the woods somewhere in a "off the grid" shotgun shack writing his manifesto. Oh wait, that's already been done.

I'm going home to spray some more Monsanto products.
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End up?


I Alresdy live in an off the grid 100 year old barn :laughing
 
kevin 714 said:
Good and evil are opinions not facts


That doesn't mean a serial killer should be absolved of his guilt. He still has no place in a society and should be removed from it
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Do you also consider pain to be an opinion, rather than a fact ?
 
kevin 714 said:
Pain is a sensation which is felt in varying degrees by different people (and animals) (and possibly plants and other life)
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ok, so how could it NOT be evil for someone to enjoy inflicting pain on another living being ?
 
planegray said:
ok, so how could it NOT be evil for someone to enjoy inflicting pain on another living being ?
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Cats routinely kill for no reason whatsoever and simply for the enjoyment. That enjoyment is an evolutionary trait that keeps skills sharp and honed for when they need to hunt or defend themselves.


Is my cat evil because he kills birds every week and doesn't nothing with them when he's done? Or routinely kills insects for no reason?


It is my opinion that causing uneeded pain is bad. But that's like, just my opinion man
 
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kevin 714 said:
Cats routinely kill for no reason whatsoever and simply for the enjoyment. That enjoyment is an evolutionary trait that keeps skills sharp and honed for when they need to hunt or defend themselves.


Is my cat evil because he kills birds every week and doesn't nothing with them when he's done? Or routinely kills insects for no reason?


It is my opinion that causing uneeded pain is bad. But that's like, just my opinion man
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there is jus some inconsistency in your thinking...

you condemn the same thing in that bug gladiators thread not long ago...
 
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carries an axe said:
there is jus some inconsistency in your thinking...

you condemn the same thing in that bug gladiators thread not long ago...
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No. I'm sayinh that I, Kevin, feel it's bad. But that's my world view. My works view is not absolute and there's no inherent goodness or badness in the wold


And I don't apply the same sense of morals to a cat that I do humans. To me there's a difference between what a cat does as an expression of a trait and what humans do to be entertained. And again, it's just MY opinion.

I've already said a serial killer has no place in society.


But what about a soldier who is good at his Job and happens ro enjoy killing people. The only difference is he enjoys killing the accepted people that society allows
 
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I choose not to subject myself to moral ambiguity beyond my control

good and evil is relative to the experience of it
 
Philosophical good/bad is pretty much meaningless beyond fun discussions because, go anywhere in the world and kill someone for fun and see what happens. You can argue the arbitrary nature of morality with your executioner while pretending to enjoy the sword in your gut..
 
byke said:
Philosophical good/bad is pretty much meaningless beyond fun discussions because, go anywhere in the world and kill someone for fun and see what happens. You can argue the arbitrary nature of morality with your executioner while pretending to enjoy the sword in your gut..
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I could kill someone for fun in Congo tommorow and no one would even blink
 
Absolutes in ambiguity won't be found. The majority, the bulk, 51% or better.
 
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