Are you sure it's not that darn rock and roll music?
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Dumb-assed change to schools, they must start later in the morning.
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Are you sure it's not that darn rock and roll music?
Mike95060
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There is a connection here to normalizing a shaping of the world around an individual's preferences and a subsequent fusing of narcissism to their core being. It's the biggest problem we have right now, imo. The entitlement out in the world suggests to me that it's better to tell your kids that they're pieces of shit, than tell them they're amazing. At the same time, there's no need to introduce unnecessary negativity onto your kids, because then it's just about you being an asshole to your family under the guise of "parenting". It's for each of us to decide where that balance is, but overall, it's too far on the the soft side and it's still ramping up.
I'm all for it. I have a 12 yr old and 15 yr old.
To me the biological rhythms aspect of starting later is a huge plus. If the kids' brains at that age are wired to work significantly better at 8:30 vs 7:30, do it. Yes there's scores of kids that managed to do just fine starting at 7:30 in the past. However we can do better than 'just fine' and also help those kids that did not do so well starting at 7:30.
I dislike the "when I was in h.s. I started at 7am and it was fine" argument. Dude, h.s. these days is vastly different than when we were in school. The amount of time and energy to get into a UC today vs 20 yrs ago...not even close.
To me the biological rhythms aspect of starting later is a huge plus. If the kids' brains at that age are wired to work significantly better at 8:30 vs 7:30, do it. Yes there's scores of kids that managed to do just fine starting at 7:30 in the past. However we can do better than 'just fine' and also help those kids that did not do so well starting at 7:30.
I dislike the "when I was in h.s. I started at 7am and it was fine" argument. Dude, h.s. these days is vastly different than when we were in school. The amount of time and energy to get into a UC today vs 20 yrs ago...not even close.
Mike95060
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You understand non binary. I'm not advocating that boundaries not be set. That expectations not be defined and held to. That accountability be ignored or punishments forgotten about. However, if you can't show your own children some empathy don't expect them to have it for you or anyone else. Its wild to me that so many of the people posting here sprang out of bed and fell in line during their teenage years and appreciate the beating they took to make it happen.
Johndicezx9
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Get with the times, it's rap's doings!
I lived 20 feet from high school, and I still couldn't make it to 1st period English on time for love or money.
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Am I a bad person because I chose to remain kid-free and like watching parents argue about the right way to raise one?
Climber
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Am I a bad person for pointing out that plenty of people in this thread don't have kids?
TylerW
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Am I a bad person for being amused by the result when scientifically collected data conflicts with people's personal biases?
Climber
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Biases? No, most of my sons friends go to bed too late to get a good night of sleep.
That was the case with his old set of friends in the Bay Area, as well.
I don't buy that it's primarly caused by when they wake up, most of the evidence that I've observed is that most kids are going to bed too late.
That was the case with his old set of friends in the Bay Area, as well.
I don't buy that it's primarly caused by when they wake up, most of the evidence that I've observed is that most kids are going to bed too late.
Mike95060
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Am I a bad person because I chose to remain kid-free and like watching parents argue about the right way to raise one?
Not. At. All. Judging the parenting of others is an american past time.
careful, this is in the "screw actual scientific studies, I did my own research" area
With that said, schools do need to somewhat align with the standard 8-5 work schedule if we want this whole 'society' thing to work. And if the end result is to shift the standard work schedule to 9-6, then that's the answer.
Climber
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careful, this is in the "screw actual scientific studies, I did my own research" area
I saw no mention in the reports about earlier bed times aside form 'kids want to stay up later'.
When I was a kid, we went to bed at 8:00 pm every night. How many kids go to bed before 10:00 pm these days?
I get that there may be a benefit to them sleeping in later, but how much gain is it over just putting them to bed earlier? Also, what is the cost vs benefit? For plenty of parents, the cost will not be negligable.
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Mike95060
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Sure. I want it to be easy too. I'm dreading organizing the upcoming car pool this fall. Didn't we learn from the pandemic though that standard work time is flexible as fuck? I work in a shop and we figured it out. I think the "Standard work schedule" is more about worker controle than it is about productivity. We are gonna waste what the pandemic taught us if we just rush back to the tired old draining cycles we were in before it started. We can do all this better. I want us to prioritize our and our children's well being at least as much as we do making a buck. My tinfoil hat thoughts say the "inflation" we are seeing is all about the ownership class taking back the power we working stiffs realized we had when we were "essential."
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I don't have kids but I grew up as a child so I have some relevant experience.
My high school rotated class times during the school year. We had six classes a day. Say you had English first period. Every five or six weeks, your first period class would become second period. What had been second period would move to third period and so on. Sixth period would become first period. By the end of the school year, that first period English class would be sixth period.
The school administrators knew we were useless for first period so the rotating schedule meant teachers and students weren't stuck with an unproductive first period in one subject for the entire school year. I liked it.
One other benefit was that there were some teachers whose nerves were completely fried by sixth period on Friday. You only had to deal with Mr. Frayed-nerves- rethinking-his-career-choice for a few weeks before the daily schedule would change and the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing tipped in your favor.
My high school rotated class times during the school year. We had six classes a day. Say you had English first period. Every five or six weeks, your first period class would become second period. What had been second period would move to third period and so on. Sixth period would become first period. By the end of the school year, that first period English class would be sixth period.
The school administrators knew we were useless for first period so the rotating schedule meant teachers and students weren't stuck with an unproductive first period in one subject for the entire school year. I liked it.
One other benefit was that there were some teachers whose nerves were completely fried by sixth period on Friday. You only had to deal with Mr. Frayed-nerves- rethinking-his-career-choice for a few weeks before the daily schedule would change and the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing tipped in your favor.
stangmx13
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I don't remember many days in high school where my responsibilities actually impacted when I went to bed. I was up because there were friends or cute girls to interact with online. I doubt the current generation is much different on average. And every morning, I got out of bed at the last possible second to not be late - even though my parents claimed I needed to be up earlier.
But hey, anecdotes. I'm sure the professionals that actually study this know A LOT better than the tiny sample size in this thread.
But hey, anecdotes. I'm sure the professionals that actually study this know A LOT better than the tiny sample size in this thread.
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It definitely taught us a lot about flexibility, but you know many positions just can't work that way. I'm good any which way on this. Schools and the bulk of whatever the most common work schedule is, should align, check. Schools can make whatever schedule changes and you should just go figure out your shit like everyone else does that doesn't work a common schedule, also check.
AbsolutEnduser
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This change has been in San Francisco since August 2021*, so there. But seeing as there is like not one parent from SF posting here, NM.
It's probably good for the kids.
But yes, most of the anger comes from the fact that, it is actually bad for the parents--and their work. They can't get there on time...
... if only everyone lived close to schools, in a dense environment--instead of on single house streets; be able to walk to school in a crime-free environment--instead of always afraid of the "bad people"--then the kids wouldn't need to be driven, would it?
Actually a pretty good example of a lack of--or failing--public policy, pushing the burden to PriVaTe Businesses via the parents. That's who's hurting from this policy, parents and private businesses.
Damn ! ^
It's probably good for the kids.
But yes, most of the anger comes from the fact that, it is actually bad for the parents--and their work. They can't get there on time...
... if only everyone lived close to schools, in a dense environment--instead of on single house streets; be able to walk to school in a crime-free environment--instead of always afraid of the "bad people"--then the kids wouldn't need to be driven, would it?
Actually a pretty good example of a lack of--or failing--public policy, pushing the burden to PriVaTe Businesses via the parents. That's who's hurting from this policy, parents and private businesses.
Damn ! ^
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Abacinator
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Looks like climber is outraged by something again! 