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Dumb-assed change to schools, they must start later in the morning.

byke said:
It definitely taught us a lot about flexibility, but you know many positions just can't work that way. I'm good any which way on this. Schools and the bulk of whatever the most common work schedule is, should align, check. Schools can make whatever schedule changes and you should just go figure out your shit like everyone else does that doesn't work a common schedule, also check.
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I can't figure out for the life of me why school busses went away. People didn't want to pay for them? We need them. There is MASSIVE opportunity now for a private bus company/uber style service for kids. Sooo we didn't want to collectively pay for busses in a community, lets force parents to do it individually. It's fucked, mostly I think it happened because people got told being taxed for services was akin to being oppressed by tyranny. :rolleyes
 
Just think about how education is viewed in this country. It's all secondary to whatever meme elon musk just posted on twitter.
 
climber, teenagers stay up late because their natural cycles switch that way. and old people wake up early and go to bed early.

that's normal human behavior. and probably evolutionary good: someone is awake at all times in the village. teenagers with their more acute senses are better night guards than the elderly.

of course there's exceptions but that's typical.


and yeah.... high school kids should in many cases be able to get themselves to school. ride your bike. true in rural areas it's harder. but there could be school buses there. high schoolers should certainly be able to get themselves out the door to the bus.
 
Abacinator said:
Looks like climber is outraged by something again! :twofinger
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It's this or he mows down everyone in the grocery store parking lot with an AK-47 this afternoon. We're really doing the world a favor here. We all need an outlet, man. :cool
 
You can tell your teenager to go to bed earlier. That doesn't empower you to control their circadian rhythm and associated hormones. THAT'S what the research looks at. It's not "just sleep more".
 
kingmoochr said:
You can tell your teenager to go to bed earlier. That doesn't empower you to control their circadian rhythm and associated hormones. THAT'S what the research looks at. It's not "just sleep more".
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this

you cannot force yourself to sleep, or just decide to sleep. it just doesnt work that way
 
Pushrod said:
Step-son matriculated from primary to middle school and he had to get up an hour earlier. Whined about it. Momma spent a half hour every morn' pleading for him to get up.

I finally picked a Monday when it was time to leave for school, physically lifted him from the bed, grabbed his school clothes and put him and all into the van.

On Tuesday he got up and got moving when momma called. He knew what was next if he didn't. He wasn't happy, but hell, he wasn't happy about the schedule anyway.

Ya'll can quote studies 'till the cows come home but my experience is that the kid adapted, got with the program and moved forward.

Srsly folks, kids need parenting.
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just cause hes At SCHOOL doesn't mean hes learning.
 
The real Chad move is forcing your/our bosses to start work at a later time for the well being of your/our kid's well being.
 
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Climber said:
I saw no mention in the reports about earlier bed times aside form 'kids want to stay up later'.

When I was a kid, we went to bed at 8:00 pm every night. How many kids go to bed before 10:00 pm these days?

I get that there may be a benefit to them sleeping in later, but how much gain is it over just putting them to bed earlier? Also, what is the cost vs benefit? For plenty of parents, the cost will not be negligable.
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you were asleep by 8pm as a 17 year old?
 
msethhunter said:
Did the CDC really just try and link drug and alcohol abuse in kids to sleep!?



Sorry, but that’s usually caused by shit parents, not lack of sleep. Remember back in the day when kids weren’t fat, lazy, pieces of shit, and parents were allowed to be parents? Getting spanked was normal, snacks were healthy like an apple, orange, or piece of cheese? You were afraid of the police, but more afraid of mom if they brought you home? What happened to that balance?
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That wasn’t “balanced”, but you do you. The “late” start has been problematic but overall not terrible. What it accomplished in large urban districts is staggered the arrival times, and therefore the commute volume, which helps large swaths of the population. Just FYI, the state and a broad alliance of child psychologists and MDs threw this issue to individual districts and they borked it, hard. No agreement. So when that happens the heavy hand of the state come into the picture. Eh were

Real experience? Our staff said “sports will be super fucked by this and disaster will be upon us!” What actually happened? Students in outlying neighborhoods had wiggle room to get up and going in the am. When school started at 7:25am I had kids up at 4:45 Roget ready and get to the (shrinking) bus stops. They were FRIED by noon, so afternoon classes were hosed.

What’s disquieting, to say the least, is the notion that parent work schedules and sports should dictate start times. If you want to “go back” you would know this was not a consideration at all. School started when school started. Building the schedule around “work hours” (loosely defined) was specific to those communities and schools. When local entities FAILED to respond over a decade to the research and best practices for THEM due to petty time conflicts, the heavy hand of the state came down.

IMO this debate is driven by self interest and hyper individualism. Those taking a narrow focus are willfully ignoring that and worse, inflicting harm on outlining communities seeking better educational opportunities in the center of town, so to speak.

Calling dependent children “fat lazy pieces of shit” says more about you than the children. It’s hyperbole I know, but it’s harmful to those of us that are dedicated classroom teachers helping pull kids up by their bootstraps. It’s hard job. We don’t want or need aggressive parents denigrating the under resourced or struggling families. Empathy isn’t that hard, for most.
 
Map8 said:
I don't have kids but I grew up as a child so I have some relevant experience. :laughing

My high school rotated class times during the school year. We had six classes a day. Say you had English first period. Every five or six weeks, your first period class would become second period. What had been second period would move to third period and so on. Sixth period would become first period. By the end of the school year, that first period English class would be sixth period.

The school administrators knew we were useless for first period so the rotating schedule meant teachers and students weren't stuck with an unproductive first period in one subject for the entire school year. I liked it.

One other benefit was that there were some teachers whose nerves were completely fried by sixth period on Friday. You only had to deal with Mr. Frayed-nerves- rethinking-his-career-choice for a few weeks before the daily schedule would change and the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing tipped in your favor.
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the mrs had this rotating schedule in h.s. over 20 yrs ago. To this day every so often she has panic level nightmares of being in h.s. and not knowing what class she's supposed to be in. Her campus was huge, so if you went to the wrong class there's a good chance you would be late when you go to the right classroom. never again says the mrs, never again :laughing
 
These kind of threads make me feel really fortunate my family didn't really have these logistical issues with school commuting vs job schedules. From elementary through high school I was either close enough to walk or bike, was on a bus route, had various car pool options, or after mom had breast cancer she became a stay at home parent, or I finally got my license and a car.

Hell, my senior year I had a zero period and I was at school when it was still dark out everyday. But that was my choice and I had my own car. I was not then nor am I now a 'morning person' but it was worth it to be done with school by lunch time or not even stick around for the lunch period and just leave. :party

I feel for the parents that don't have those easy options and have to make it work somehow.
 
I got myself to and from school starting at age 12. At 11 I had 2 days a week as practice.

The only time my parents were involved after 12 was when my dad used the time to teach me to drive at 15 for a few months
 
byke said:
Abacinator said:
Looks like climber is outraged by something again! :twofinger
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:laughing
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byke said:
Just think about how education is viewed in this country. It's all secondary to whatever meme elon musk just posted on twitter.
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:laughing :thumbup

nakedape said:
What’s disquieting, to say the least, is the notion that parent work schedules and sports should dictate start times.
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Calling dependent children “fat lazy pieces of shit” says more about you than the children. It’s hyperbole I know, ...
Empathy isn’t that hard, for most.
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Agreed... :teeth
It does look like it's hard to understand other people. But I must say, not everyone (parent or kid) can be as ideal as mrsethhunter

kevin 714 said:
I got myself to and from school starting at age 12. At 11 I had 2 days a week as practice.
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Well I did, myself, starting at age 7! Virtual fist pump :laughing (different strokes for different folks applies, tho)
 
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gnahc79 said:
the mrs had this rotating schedule in h.s. over 20 yrs ago. To this day every so often she has panic level nightmares of being in h.s. and not knowing what class she's supposed to be in. Her campus was huge, so if you went to the wrong class there's a good chance you would be late when you go to the right classroom. never again says the mrs, never again :laughing
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What was the penalty for being late on rotation day. At my school it was a teacher telling you to go the class you belonged in. Nothing more.
 
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