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Former UFC HW Champ arrested for attempted murder

The first class I ever had to teach as a newly commissioned Infantry lieutenant was Rape Prevention.
WTF if infantry soldiers don't know how to not get raped maybe they shouldn't be in the infantry.

Turned out the class was about telling young testosterone infused men that vigilantism is bad for them and their family. That while the desire for vengeance was strong, what their family needed was for them to be there and help the victim.
 
Yeah that's a bit of a big "oof". If he had randomly encountered the dude at a grocery store and beat the shit out of him / even shot him then, I could see him getting off with a more lenient sentence. But this doesn't seem to have been anywhere near a random encounter, unless they live in the same neighborhood and thus had a higher likelihood of driving near each other.

Morgan Hill/San Martin are pretty small.

The part that will haunt Cain the most is that he failed to do anything to the accused. And now he's going to jail for probably a long time while knowing he didn't kill his intended target. His family will grow old without him, and the guy is still alive.
 
But who molested the molester's molester?

I can't help but thinking that P33wee Herm@n allegedly had something to do with it, but i can't prove it.

I have enjoyed watching him in the old days, very powerful and high fighter iq. Doesn't make what he did right but understandable from varying perspectives. I support him but not what he did in this situation.

I'm willing to bet that's how most of his supporters feel when they say they have his back.
 
gonna miss Kuro :(

I ain't going to jail for Cain. :laughing

Yes, as stated above, this is from wrestling, and the constant grinding of that flesh which produces scar tissue over time. It's why wrestlers and Jiujitsu types wear ear protection. I find after a grappling session, my ears hurt quite a bit.

I also box and I'm a karateka, and my ears don't get hit much - most of the time - not at all.

When I say most of the martial arts community has Cain's back, is that we understand the circumstance and support him. Most likely, he will have to pay for the crime. That being said, Bushido/Budo Code a real thing that many of us live by. I definitely live by it.

For those who have never fought, or been in a fight, or cowered in a confrontation wouldn't understand this. The main reason why most of us even got into martial arts is because we were bullied, harassed, faced violence, been physically hurt, humiliated, or experience physical/sexual malevolence upon us. That's my personal experience. I started learning when I was 6 by my father who was a boxer and Shotokan 2nd degree black belt. Start officially going to class when I was 9, and started fighting competitively when I was 12.

So yeah, if I even discovered somebody hurt my wife or step-son, there is no telling what lengths I would go to to seek justice.

Also, martial artists are the most calm, respectful people in the world. I'm not talking about the fake martial artists, I'm talking about people who train and face overwhelming violent circumstances on a daily basis in a consensual, controlled environment (dojo/gym). When you train that hard, to the limits of your skills and knowledge and win and lose - daily - it humbles you.

So, to see Cain go to this length, it is very surprising. I share his sentiment though - child touchers can burn in hell, for all I care. F 'em; they are the lowest of the low scums of the earth.

I'm with most of the above here. This thread is full of a lot of weird and misinformed opinions about martial artists, especially pro fighters. Some of y'all have watched too many movies or read too many news stories about the bad apples. Especially the comment about Cain's cauliflower ears means maybe he's been hit in the head too many times and has CTE that influenced his actions? Maybe there is some CTE there but his ears are not an indication of that. Cauliflower ears are a wrestling/jiu jitsu thing, you know... where people are not getting punched or kicked in the head constantly.

Pretty much every one I know that fights for a living, or just trains, are some of the nicest people I've ever met. Obviously there are some real douchebags out there but how is that different than any Sportsball? Every sport has their fair share of bad people but when it comes to fighters, the knee jerk reaction is they are meatheads. :dunno
 
Morgan Hill/San Martin are pretty small.

Fair point I guess.

Additional caveat - crime of passion / heat of the moment doesn't necessarily exclude going looking for something / someone. It's not solely restricted to "well I walked in on my wife cheating and killed the dude in my own bedroom".
 
Pretty much every one I know that fights for a living, or just trains, are some of the nicest people I've ever met. Obviously there are some real douchebags out there but how is that different than any Sportsball? Every sport has their fair share of bad people but when it comes to fighters, the knee jerk reaction is they are meatheads. :dunno

I believe you, but the evidence sure seems to be that Cain is one of the meatheads with zero impulse control.
 
I believe you, but the evidence sure seems to be that Cain is one of the meatheads with zero impulse control.

If he didn't have a track record of being a good upstanding citizen, and he does, not sure meathead with zero impulse control is the proper description. This wasn't an issue like someone stepped on his new shoes and he beat the shit out of them instead of letting it go.

We've all done things that are not within our normal personality. That's not an apology for what Cain did because the times I've gone off the rails about something and acted in a way that's not in line with my normal personality didn't involve aiming a gun at someone, words I wish I could take back at worst. So I'm not trying to say "we all fuck up sometimes", like all of our mistakes are the same.

I really don't know how I feel about taking justice or vengeance into your own hands, in this particular situation, given our legal system and where it fails sometimes.

My reaction to reading the thread was just that there's a lot of misconceptions about fighters and anytime they step out of line is because they are fighters. No one says the reason Tiger Woods cheated on his wife was because he plays golf.

If I read some news that Jon Jones or Conor McGregor fucked up, again, I'd just think... water is wet, the sun rises in the morning... Cain isn't in that category of meathead fighter with impulse control issues in my opinion.
 
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Child brides, female circumcision, slavery, martial rape, were all commonly accepted for a great span of time.

They're not legal now. Even when it was legal, it ruined lives, they made a whole musical about Hamilton the Adulterer who was killed in an idiotic duel for some honor purposes nobody gives a fuck about today.


So I ask, what's your point?

My point, which you have very well reinforced now, is that what is legal is not necessarily a good measure of what is reasonable, which was your previous statement.

A better statement might be that what is legal is what is socially expected.
 
I mean it might, right? Long term effects of sustained repeated head trauma injuries can include this type of behavior.
 
Despite my earlier comment regarding Athletes and their poor decision making skills, I have no evidence to suggest his status as a fighter was a factor, but literally every experience of our lives from the moment we're born are factors in our decision making process. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he just made a bad decision.
 
Despite my earlier comment regarding Athletes and their poor decision making skills, I have no evidence to suggest his status as a fighter was a factor, but literally every experience of our lives from the moment we're born are factors in our decision making process. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he just made a bad decision.

Yeah, I expect as much too, but there is enough indirect evidence of this type of behavior in others where there is no reason for us to say it wasn't a factor either, right?

:dunno

I mean his motivation or reasons don't matter that much, unless they ARE going to go for a temporary insanity defense, which I expect will be a pretty serious hail mary.
 
I mean it might, right? Long term effects of sustained repeated head trauma injuries can include this type of behavior.

Cain does not have a destructive repeated pattern of behavior that would lead me to believe so, like many retired fighters like Tito Ortiz that was a complete failure as a politician, the former mayor protem of Huntington Beach? BJ Penn, running for governor of Hawaii while he was still getting in bar fights in Hilo a year or two ago? These are the kind of guys you want to look at for CTE issues. Both with history of getting into trouble and scandals numerous times.
 
Cain does not have a destructive repeated pattern of behavior that would lead me to believe so, like many retired fighters like Tito Ortiz that was a complete failure as a politician, the former mayor protem of Huntington Beach? BJ Penn, running for governor of Hawaii while he was still getting in bar fights in Hilo a year or two ago? These are the kind of guys you want to look at for CTE issues. Both with history of getting into trouble and scandals numerous times.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know this dudes medical or personal history, right?

Just because he isn't getting arrested or in the news every time, doesn't mean he is DOING shit. Some cats slide under the radar like that you know?
 
Wonder is Cain still thinks it was a good idea.
I suspect his bros at the gym were filling him with tales of what they would do. Of course I could be totally wrong about that also.
 
Wonder is Cain still thinks it was a good idea.
I suspect his bros at the gym were filling him with tales of what they would do. Of course I could be totally wrong about that also.

Probably not since the dude is still alive. All he accomplished is ruining his own life, he didn't even remove his target from the grid. Hard for any level of crazy to mark it down as a W.
 
I think the courts will be lenient on Cain if its proven Goularte is a serial abuser. The reason why I state this is I 'heard' that this Goularte guy has another pending open abuse case on another child and him being released on supervised release for this case is what triggered this event. If it turns out this Goularte has a record of abusing children then I think (IMO) Cain will get manslaughter/attempted manslaughter which will see him serve only a few years or none at all.

Ellie Nesler and Gary Plauche got a slap on the wrists for killing their kid's abusers.
 
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