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Is chivalry really dead?

ERR MEH GERD! YOU ISN'T A NIGHT!!!!

Now let's all go larping.
 
Not sure why people are trying to use century old definitions of chivalry as the definition of what it is todayu. Folks, things evolve with the times.
 
aminalmutha said:
If I hold the door for anyone and they don't say "thank you", I shout "YOU'RE WELCOME".

Also, I hold it for three people max, after that, fuck you, I'm not a doorstop.

Chival this. :twofinger
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this is one of my pet peeves. I don't do it just to be thanked, but have some fucking common decency. I get even more frustrated when it's people at my company walking into our building... show a bit of respect to your coworker at least.
 
Toast said:
I hold the door for people (men and women), am polite, you know common courtesy. I'm so glad I missed the whole online dating thing though, it sounds awful.
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I completely agree!! I hold the door and say hello to strangers because I prefer to be polite. I find happiness in putting a smile on someone's face. Plus, Common courtesy is something the world needs more of and I have no problem doing my part.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
It's because today it is meaningless without sexism.
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You're assuming that a guy holding the door for a woman is a sexist. How about just common courtesy/ basic human decency?

I hold the door open for others, I guess that makes me a sexist.
 
Climber said:
You're assuming that a guy holding the door for a woman is a sexist. How about just common courtesy/ basic human decency?

I hold the door open for others, I guess that makes me a sexist.
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Nope. Holding a door open for a woman is common courtesy. If you open it for her because she's a woman in an attempt to be "chivalrous", it's sexist.

Make sense?
 
HappyHighwayman said:
Nope. Holding a door open for a woman is common courtesy. If you open it for her because she's a woman in an attempt to be "chivalrous", it's sexist.

Make sense?
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sex-ist
relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.
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You can stick with your version of a guy's motivation. It doesn't prove me wrong, it just shows what your perception is.

It may make sense to you, but don't expect all of us to agree with you.
 
I don't believe that chivalry ever had an universally accepted definition, but consider it a code of idealized and socially acceptable behavior, originally only for militarily trained men, but can be ablied to anyone today (male or female).

I wonder if the term, "knight in shining armor" is contributing to how some people see chivalry as outdated and/or sexist. The idea that a women would wait for a man to save her from situational distress, or the distress of being unmarried is appalling, and shouldn't be conflated with chivalry.
 
Cali said:
Are you serious? I'm 39, she's 28. Do young guys and "boys" really not do this anymore? Drive to her house, pick her up, open the door?
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This thread got pretty far from this part of the question, but a perspective from someone who was single a short decade ago.

(1) In urban settings, parking is such a massive pain that meeting at the date was far more common than driving to someone's house, then circling together for 30 minutes and missing the reservation / movie / opener. Alcohol was often involved too, and younger folks might be warier of DUI than past generations.

I've heard of guys sending an Uber to pick their date, which the women in question have described as cheesy and odd.

(2)She might not be thrilled telling a stranger from the internet her home address. You know you're not a creep, but she doesn't, yet.

There are plenty of other cultural and economic shifts away from the provider-protecter model which I'm not qualified to opine on, but those first two probably bear on your specific issue.
 
SFSV650 said:
This thread got pretty far from this part of the question, but a perspective from someone who was single a short decade ago.

(1) In urban settings, parking is such a massive pain that meeting at the date was far more common than driving to someone's house, then circling together for 30 minutes and missing the reservation / movie / opener. Alcohol was often involved too, and younger folks might be warier of DUI than past generations.

I've heard of guys sending an Uber to pick their date, which the women in question have described as cheesy and odd.

(2)She might not be thrilled telling a stranger from the internet her home address. You know you're not a creep, but she doesn't, yet.

There are plenty of other cultural and economic shifts away from the provider-protecter model which I'm not qualified to opine on, but those first two probably bear on your specific issue.
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I can't wait for a woman to send her driver and care for me.
 
Have we defined chivalry yet?
Not sure what the historical definition of the word is but common usage is a male doing something for a female that she is absolutely capable of doing herself.

This is not the same as common courtesy nore do i believe the OP meant common courtesy.
 
JesasaurusRex said:
Have we defined chivalry yet?
Not sure what the historical definition of the word is but common usage is a male doing something for a female that she is absolutely capable of doing herself.

This is not the same as common courtesy nore do i believe the OP meant common courtesy.
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Aren't you making an assumption?

You seem to be couching this in a package of it being a negative, both in the intentions of the guy doing it and in the eyes of the woman it's done for.

That is 2 too many assumptions.
 
Climber said:
Aren't you making an assumption?

You seem to be couching this in a package of it being a negative, both in the intentions of the guy doing it and in the eyes of the woman it's done for.

That is 2 too many assumptions.
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What am i assuming exactly? That the OP did not mean common courtesy? You think he opens the car door and pulls out the seat at dining establishments for his male friends?
 
JesasaurusRex said:
What am i assuming exactly? That the OP did not mean common courtesy? You think he opens the car door and pulls out the seat at dining establishments for his male friends?
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Maybe I misinterpreted your statement, I thought the following (bolded) was a negative indication.
JesasaurusRex said:
Not sure what the historical definition of the word is but common usage is a male doing something for a female that she is absolutely capable of doing herself.
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JesasaurusRex said:
It's a little weird if you're not already in a relationship i think. At least in todays age. You don't agree?
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I've been married over the past 13 years, so I've been out of the dating scene for longer.

With my generation, opening doors for women was just a fact. Now, granted, a portion of the male population viewed women as the 'weaker' sex, not only in body strength, but that wasn't shared by all.

While in some portion of the cases where a man will open a door for a woman, there may be reasons behind it that aren't admirable, but I wouldn't characterize it as an action that deserves blanket condemnation for the men doing it.
 
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