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LEO questions....answered!
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Iszlandsnow
Break yourself
Okay so are you guys going to go on the Santa Clara Peace Officers Memorial run on 5-15-04 or what??
10-36? Im 10-12 dammit.
10-36? Im 10-12 dammit.
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ontherearwheel
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How come a cop can get out of a ticket because he is a cop?
Diablo
Member
re:How does a CHP patrol car get your speed if you are behind them?
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1. Pacing, they can see your speed is consitent with yours and watch you in the rear view mirror.
2. Hawk radar whether they are still or moving front or rear, you're nailed.
3. Remote radar spotter/interceptor (speed trap) there are many config of this being used, Airplanes with ground units, radar spotter with ground units,
pulse radar cameras etc etc...
4. Time and Distance formula (have seen many tickets upheld using this)
Use of radar means the officer needs to be trained/certified on the use of radar and said roadway needs to be surveyed for radar use (will be posted as Radar enforced)
re:How come a cop can get out of a ticket because he is a cop?
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Professional courtesy, this and the fact that often, the officer won't offer the info....dispatch will usually come back with the reg info, "registration code 4 and current 10-32". That 10-32 cue is what tells the contact officer the info that whoever they have pulled over, is almost always a LEO.
I also know of many that don't offer the info and sign the ticket....
re:Have a nice day
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I also agree that the disposition of a traffic stop that ends with a citeation need to be tailored to that outcome.
If no cite then wish them a nice day, if cite needed, "drive safe" is more like it.
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1. Pacing, they can see your speed is consitent with yours and watch you in the rear view mirror.
2. Hawk radar whether they are still or moving front or rear, you're nailed.
3. Remote radar spotter/interceptor (speed trap) there are many config of this being used, Airplanes with ground units, radar spotter with ground units,
pulse radar cameras etc etc...
4. Time and Distance formula (have seen many tickets upheld using this)
Use of radar means the officer needs to be trained/certified on the use of radar and said roadway needs to be surveyed for radar use (will be posted as Radar enforced)
re:How come a cop can get out of a ticket because he is a cop?
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Professional courtesy, this and the fact that often, the officer won't offer the info....dispatch will usually come back with the reg info, "registration code 4 and current 10-32". That 10-32 cue is what tells the contact officer the info that whoever they have pulled over, is almost always a LEO.
I also know of many that don't offer the info and sign the ticket....
re:Have a nice day
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I also agree that the disposition of a traffic stop that ends with a citeation need to be tailored to that outcome.
If no cite then wish them a nice day, if cite needed, "drive safe" is more like it.
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ryanrs
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Reaching for the handy-dandy copy of the vehicle code I keep next to my bed.... BTW, I'm not kidding; it's at the front of my bookshelf. Given the number of traffic laws I break, it pays to study a bit.
Also, it's a really great deal. $3 gets you the complete Vehicle Code and an appendix that's sorta like a "California Codes: Greatest Hits". This appendix contains the best of the Penal Code, Health Code, etc. This organization makes a lot of sense. After all, if you break the Penal Code, it's likely to be a simple, 3 digit, "don't rob people" sort of law. On the other hand, traffic officers love giving out cites for 5-digit-and-3-subparagraph bullshit like making a left turn in a business district during school hours.
So here are your answers:
crow:
one hand on the bars:
I know there is something in the vehicle code about carrying packages, but I can't find it. From previous readings, I believe there is no law against one hand (or no hands) riding, except when holding a package. Reckless driving and other laws may apply.
SpeedyCorky:
U turn at a stop light & U turn at a 4-way stop sign:
Both are allowed fron the leftmost lane.
[traffic signals are lights, traffic devices are signs]
22100.5. No driver shall make a U-turn at an intersection
controlled by official traffic signals except as provided in Section
21451, and then only from the far lefthand lane that is lawfully
available to traffic moving in the direction of travel from which the
turn is commenced. No driver shall make a U-turn at an intersection
controlled by official traffic control devices except from the far
lefthand lane that is lawfully available to traffic moving in the
direction of travel from which the turn is commenced.
21451. (a) A driver facing a circular green signal shall proceed
straight through or turn right or left or make a U-turn unless a sign
prohibits a U-turn. Any driver, including one turning, shall yield
the right-of-way to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within
the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk.
(b) A driver facing a green arrow signal, shown alone or in
combination with another indication, shall enter the intersection
only to make the movement indicated by that green arrow or any other
movement that is permitted by other indications shown at the same
time. A driver facing a left green arrow may also make a U-turn
unless prohibited by a sign. A driver shall yield the right-of-way
to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection
or an adjacent crosswalk.
Unnecessarily complicated question about ROW at an T intersection:
Driver on the through road has right-of-way.
21800. (a) The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection
shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the
intersection from a different highway.
(b) (1) When two vehicles enter an intersection from different
highways at the same time, the driver of the vehicle on the left
shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on his or her immediate
right, except that the driver of any vehicle on a terminating highway
shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle on the intersecting
continuing highway.
(2) For the purposes of this section, "terminating highway" means
a highway which intersects, but does not continue beyond the
intersection, with another highway which does continue beyond the
intersection.
donoman:
Right on red from a middle lane.
Legal from any lane.
21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall
stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the
crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then
before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in subdivision
(b).(b) Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn, a driver,
after stopping as required by subdivision (a), facing a steady
circular red signal, may turn right, or turn left from a one-way
street onto a one-way street. A driver making that turn shall yield
the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an adjacent crosswalk
and to any vehicle that has approached or is approaching so closely
as to constitute an immediate hazard to the driver, and shall
continue to yield the right-of-way to that vehicle until the driver
can proceed with reasonable safety.
Also, it's a really great deal. $3 gets you the complete Vehicle Code and an appendix that's sorta like a "California Codes: Greatest Hits". This appendix contains the best of the Penal Code, Health Code, etc. This organization makes a lot of sense. After all, if you break the Penal Code, it's likely to be a simple, 3 digit, "don't rob people" sort of law. On the other hand, traffic officers love giving out cites for 5-digit-and-3-subparagraph bullshit like making a left turn in a business district during school hours.
So here are your answers:
crow:
one hand on the bars:
I know there is something in the vehicle code about carrying packages, but I can't find it. From previous readings, I believe there is no law against one hand (or no hands) riding, except when holding a package. Reckless driving and other laws may apply.
SpeedyCorky:
U turn at a stop light & U turn at a 4-way stop sign:
Both are allowed fron the leftmost lane.
[traffic signals are lights, traffic devices are signs]
22100.5. No driver shall make a U-turn at an intersection
controlled by official traffic signals except as provided in Section
21451, and then only from the far lefthand lane that is lawfully
available to traffic moving in the direction of travel from which the
turn is commenced. No driver shall make a U-turn at an intersection
controlled by official traffic control devices except from the far
lefthand lane that is lawfully available to traffic moving in the
direction of travel from which the turn is commenced.
21451. (a) A driver facing a circular green signal shall proceed
straight through or turn right or left or make a U-turn unless a sign
prohibits a U-turn. Any driver, including one turning, shall yield
the right-of-way to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within
the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk.
(b) A driver facing a green arrow signal, shown alone or in
combination with another indication, shall enter the intersection
only to make the movement indicated by that green arrow or any other
movement that is permitted by other indications shown at the same
time. A driver facing a left green arrow may also make a U-turn
unless prohibited by a sign. A driver shall yield the right-of-way
to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection
or an adjacent crosswalk.
Unnecessarily complicated question about ROW at an T intersection:
Driver on the through road has right-of-way.
21800. (a) The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection
shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the
intersection from a different highway.
(b) (1) When two vehicles enter an intersection from different
highways at the same time, the driver of the vehicle on the left
shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on his or her immediate
right, except that the driver of any vehicle on a terminating highway
shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle on the intersecting
continuing highway.
(2) For the purposes of this section, "terminating highway" means
a highway which intersects, but does not continue beyond the
intersection, with another highway which does continue beyond the
intersection.
donoman:
Right on red from a middle lane.
Legal from any lane.
21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall
stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the
crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then
before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in subdivision
(b).(b) Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn, a driver,
after stopping as required by subdivision (a), facing a steady
circular red signal, may turn right, or turn left from a one-way
street onto a one-way street. A driver making that turn shall yield
the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an adjacent crosswalk
and to any vehicle that has approached or is approaching so closely
as to constitute an immediate hazard to the driver, and shall
continue to yield the right-of-way to that vehicle until the driver
can proceed with reasonable safety.
EastBayDave
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what would be the penalty for say.....186mph ?
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fried_tofu
Active member
mojoed accordingly! 
V4
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
What hairspray do most cops use...?
Seems like their hair never move out of place while on duty.....
Seems like their hair never move out of place while on duty.....
mud
New member
Jig said:
CHP cars have both front- and rear-facing radar. If you get close to a CHP car, you'll a small black tube with a grey-white cap pointing backwards.
awgeezdawn
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got some great questions here you guys 
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What do you think of this visor guide?
http://ticketassassin.com/visorguide.html
Are these legitate CVC quotes, i.e. " Then can I assume this is a SPEED TRAP by definition of VC 40802 and that your "evidence" is illegal by VC40803?"
http://ticketassassin.com/visorguide.html
Are these legitate CVC quotes, i.e. " Then can I assume this is a SPEED TRAP by definition of VC 40802 and that your "evidence" is illegal by VC40803?"
mud
New member
jlhopwo said:
FWIW, I realize it's a minor point, but...my understanding (based upon the actual DMV form) is that the DMV does not issue anything for a change of address. Instead, the change of address form instructs drivers to write or print their new address on a small piece of paper, sign it, and keep it with the DL.
If anyone likes or needs proof, I'll dig up the DMV form and post it.
Screw it: DMV 14
PhaTeLeSS
Solar loans
my traffic school teacher told me making a U turn in the middle of the street against a double yellow is legal because there is nothing against it in the code (providing it is safe to do so)
Dar25
Couch Potato
Thanks for offering to answer some questions.
What could you tell us about 11-99 foundation.
Also, does the cop have to provide you with radar reading upon your request (when he is writing a ticket based on it).
Im wondering how can you trust what he says he saw if he declines to show you the reading.
Thanks in advance!
What could you tell us about 11-99 foundation.
Also, does the cop have to provide you with radar reading upon your request (when he is writing a ticket based on it).
Im wondering how can you trust what he says he saw if he declines to show you the reading.
Thanks in advance!
MeisI
New member
I got a question... Is there any truth to the myth about CHP quota's, thus explaining the (appearance of an) increase of tickets at the end of the month?
faz
Sexiest Ex-Mod around!™
Brash, and the rest of the LEO gang on BARF...
if you hang out here for a while you will realize that most people here are appreciative of what you do out there. we all have had a ticket or two here and there that we thought we didn't deserve, and accordingly got pissed off about it. But, you will see that cop bashing is not something that majority of BARF is into. In fact, if you have time, do a few searches and read some of the older posts to get a general feel for how cops are viewed by majority of BARF.
I think all that most people here would ask for is a little bit of logical toleration from you and your coworkers. Keep up the good work.
if you hang out here for a while you will realize that most people here are appreciative of what you do out there. we all have had a ticket or two here and there that we thought we didn't deserve, and accordingly got pissed off about it. But, you will see that cop bashing is not something that majority of BARF is into. In fact, if you have time, do a few searches and read some of the older posts to get a general feel for how cops are viewed by majority of BARF.
I think all that most people here would ask for is a little bit of logical toleration from you and your coworkers. Keep up the good work.
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