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Lets talk: UNIONS

Look I am not for child labor, but they do have a lot of energy. It's all I am saying. :laughing
 

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See they are being productive members of society instead of rotting their brains in front of TV. :-D
 
jokes at the expense of those who are completely powerless and dependent on our moral compass - Stay classy gentlemen.
 
jokes at the expense of those who are completely powerless and dependent on our moral compass - Stay classy gentlemen.

Those people are dead.:twofinger

Also I am pro-union if you couldn't tell by my posts.

My grandfather worked in an open pit coal mine in Williston ND as a teen when he came over from Denmark. I think that is what caused him to go rum running later on.
 
Those people are dead.:twofinger

Also I am pro-union if you couldn't tell by my posts.

My grandfather worked in an open pit coal mine in Williston ND as a teen when he came over from Denmark. I think that is what caused him to go rum running later on.

I am pro-union as well. However, I'll add that there are good unions and bad unions, as well as good union practices and bad union practices.

I'll be the first one to point out that all that Moscone Center stuff is BS and should result in a whole lot of heads rolling out the door.
 
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Unions - the reason we do have weekends and don't have child labor! :thumbup
You're giving unions credit where it isn't really due.

Some of the unions out there would be all for child labor, it would mean more union dues for them. They didn't stop child labor, that was stopped by other forces.

As to weekends, unions weren't the only force driving that.
 
I don't want to get into a whole anti union rant here. The short version is that I was in one and wasn't impressed in the least bit with it. I agree that there was certainly a time when they were necessary in this country. But today? They are easily the biggest reason why more and more vehicles have a VIN that starts with a 3 (hecho en Mexico).
 
I don't want to get into a whole anti union rant here. The short version is that I was in one and wasn't impressed in the least bit with it. I agree that there was certainly a time when they were necessary in this country. But today? They are easily the biggest reason why more and more vehicles have a VIN that starts with a 3 (hecho en Mexico).

Nope.

The reason jobs moved to Mexico is because our corrupt political system opened up the ability of US companies to exploit 2nd and 3rd world labor.

Anyone who votes for a politician who advocates free trade or believes in it is directly attacking the working class.

What are you going to do when your job is outsourced to 3rd or 2nd world labor that is given work visas (it already happens in tons of industries)? I assume you make somewhere north of $30/hr. Soon dealerships will bring in semi skilled mechanics from Argentina, charge them 1/2 their pay for room and board and pay them $12/hr.

National park vendors do this, Hersheys does this, I could name a dozen other companies that do this.
 
Nope.

The reason jobs moved to Mexico is because our corrupt political system opened up the ability of US companies to exploit 2nd and 3rd world labor.

Anyone who votes for a politician who advocates free trade or believes in it is directly attacking the working class.

What are you going to do when your job is outsourced to 3rd or 2nd world labor that is given work visas (it already happens in tons of industries)? I assume you make somewhere north of $30/hr. Soon dealerships will bring in semi skilled mechanics from Argentina, charge them 1/2 their pay for room and board and pay them $12/hr.

National park vendors do this, Hersheys does this, I could name a dozen other companies that do this.

yup. i heard an unsubstantiated rumor (through a friend of a friend) that there is a certain company who recently switched distribution suppliers to a company with ridiculously low rates. everything went to shit almost immediately. apparently the decision making company's crack corporate team's due diligence left a lot to be desired. probably full on idiots, but i have no first hand knowledge of that either. turns out the supplier exclusively employs workers from latin america (guatemala IIRC, but keep in mind, this is at least third hand knowledge) who are here on work visas, and none of them speak english, and have no idea how to pick, pack and ship orders, or separate returned contaminated product from new product. some of the horrifying consequences could be described, but the party at the source of these rumors would definitely be fired for sure if they became public, even anonymously. when i grow senile and write my 'tell all' memoir i will be sure include a chapter on this issue, and prominently title it 'conspiracy theories that may or may not have actually happened, according to reliable sources that probably do not exist'. or maybe 'fuck all you assholes'. can't decide for sure.
 
Nope.

The reason jobs moved to Mexico is because our corrupt political system opened up the ability of US companies to exploit 2nd and 3rd world labor.

Anyone who votes for a politician who advocates free trade or believes in it is directly attacking the working class.

What are you going to do when your job is outsourced to 3rd or 2nd world labor that is given work visas (it already happens in tons of industries)? I assume you make somewhere north of $30/hr. Soon dealerships will bring in semi skilled mechanics from Argentina, charge them 1/2 their pay for room and board and pay them $12/hr.

National park vendors do this, Hersheys does this, I could name a dozen other companies that do this.

As far as Hershey's goes, they just straight up moved to Mexico. Closed their Oakdale plant and left many in the community high and dry.

I remember taking tours of the plant with family and on school field trips. I always thought they should have had Oompa Loompas walking around. But I digress. Fuck NAFTA and fuck Hershey's. I'll never buy or eat any of their candy.
 
As far as Hershey's goes, they just straight up moved to Mexico. Closed their Oakdale plant and left many in the community high and dry.

I remember taking tours of the plant with family and on school field trips. I always thought they should have had Oompa Loompas walking around. But I digress. Fuck NAFTA and fuck Hershey's. I'll never buy or eat any of their candy.
Hershey's became crap anyways with all of the wax they add to their chocolate to keep it from melting. I stopped using them for somores years ago because it wouldn't melt around the marshmallows. They probably added it so that they wouldn't need to air condition their trucks as much to save a few bucks.
 
Nope.

The reason jobs moved to Mexico is because our corrupt political system opened up the ability of US companies to exploit 2nd and 3rd world labor.

Anyone who votes for a politician who advocates free trade or believes in it is directly attacking the working class.

What are you going to do when your job is outsourced to 3rd or 2nd world labor that is given work visas (it already happens in tons of industries)? I assume you make somewhere north of $30/hr. Soon dealerships will bring in semi skilled mechanics from Argentina, charge them 1/2 their pay for room and board and pay them $12/hr.

National park vendors do this, Hersheys does this, I could name a dozen other companies that do this.

Because of the union, American auto assembly workers are grossly overpaid for what they do. Even if a plant isn't union, they grossly overpay anyway out of fear of the workers voting UAW in.

Not that I'm endorsing Trump or anything, but it would be interesting to see if he could really bring the jobs back to America, though I don't see how. It's far too enticing for an automaker to save billions of dollars every year on wages and pension payouts just by moving production down to where people are far more desperate to work. Exploiting? Yeah a little. But it's simple supply and demand, there's so many people down there that are willing to work for a fraction of what an American gets because they know if they don't take the job, someone else gladly will.

Dealerships hiring semi skilled labor for less than journeyman wages? Already happens. More than half my crew are Hispanic/Latino. Almost all of them would be better suited to assembly line work as they can't figure out stuff for themself and can only do something if someone shows them a couple times first. My job is never getting outourced because at least one or two people in the building have to actually know how a car works so they can show everyone else what to do to fix them.
 
At least my Chevy seems to be built pretty well. It's an impressive improvement for historically mediocre GM product line.
 
Because of the union, American auto assembly workers are grossly overpaid for what they do. Even if a plant isn't union, they grossly overpay anyway out of fear of the workers voting UAW in.

Not that I'm endorsing Trump or anything, but it would be interesting to see if he could really bring the jobs back to America, though I don't see how. It's far too enticing for an automaker to save billions of dollars every year on wages and pension payouts just by moving production down to where people are far more desperate to work. Exploiting? Yeah a little. But it's simple supply and demand, there's so many people down there that are willing to work for a fraction of what an American gets because they know if they don't take the job, someone else gladly will.

Dealerships hiring semi skilled labor for less than journeyman wages? Already happens. More than half my crew are Hispanic/Latino. Almost all of them would be better suited to assembly line work as they can't figure out stuff for themself and can only do something if someone shows them a couple times first. My job is never getting outourced because at least one or two people in the building have to actually know how a car works so they can show everyone else what to do to fix them.

yeah - i'm gonna take my car for service to a place where one or two people in the building actually know how a car works. :rolleyes

lol - i take that back. i go to a place with only one guy. owns the place. not sure i recall him ever saying one word. just wrenches. and he's the only one who does. has two guys out front that make all of the arrangements. most i've ever gotten out of him is a smile and a nod when i thank him after one of his dudes explains to me what he did, why he did it, and relaying his thoughts and feedback about my car - while he stands there silently observing the conversation.
 
Not that I'm endorsing Trump or anything..


When someone born into money begins speaking to the average Joe in language he associates with, you know your education system is beyond repair.

I think that Trump is the avatar of American failure. We had a major leg up, and blew it.
 
Sorry, if the business dries up that's not on the employees. That's completely tied to the market and the folks running the show.

Ask the guys and gals at the now defunct Comair about that. The money was there, they asked for more, and Delta shut them down for being "greedy.". It happens a lot in the airline business.
 
Because of the union, American auto assembly workers are grossly overpaid for what they do. Even if a plant isn't union, they grossly overpay anyway out of fear of the workers voting UAW in.

Not that I'm endorsing Trump or anything, but it would be interesting to see if he could really bring the jobs back to America, though I don't see how. It's far too enticing for an automaker to save billions of dollars every year on wages and pension payouts just by moving production down to where people are far more desperate to work. Exploiting? Yeah a little. But it's simple supply and demand, there's so many people down there that are willing to work for a fraction of what an American gets because they know if they don't take the job, someone else gladly will.

Dealerships hiring semi skilled labor for less than journeyman wages? Already happens. More than half my crew are Hispanic/Latino. Almost all of them would be better suited to assembly line work as they can't figure out stuff for themself and can only do something if someone shows them a couple times first. My job is never getting outourced because at least one or two people in the building have to actually know how a car works so they can show everyone else what to do to fix them.

You swallowed the big lie. Where do you think the money saved from exploiting 3rd world labor goes? It isn't lower prices for vehicles. It goes to a small cadre of people who control policy and wealth in this country.

Of course people in 2nd and 3rd world countries will work for less. No environmental regulations, no/few workplace regulations.

You continue to think your job won't be outsourced. It is coming unless the majority starts to vote their interests.
 
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