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*Liam's Wild Ride*

MotoLiam said:
When's the last time anyone remembers a GP rider getting fired?

Suzuki fired Gobert. In the 250 class, Capriossi, of all people, was fired (I think) from Aprilia for taking out Harada, but moved up to a 500 Honda the next year. Youichi Ui was fired mid-season for some reason in 2002 I believe, maybe '03. It happens. There are three different reasons here: Dope, Hope and Cope.

Dope ("Sohme gois drink Bud after the race, I smoke it. Wot's the fookin' diffrence?"),\

Hope ("I hope I can catch Harada in this next turn and bump him into the grass a little") and

Cope (as in "I cont cope wid da bigga bike den one twenny five!"
 
MotoLiam said:
When's the last time anyone remembers a GP rider getting fired?

The last that I can remember in the top class was Chris Walker on the Shell Advance 500.
 
Lester Green said:
no matter how many times i'd had done it before, i would think that each and every time i had the privilege to ride it would be an unforgettable experience. I cannot imagine wanting to quit.
I'm sure Hoffman probably felt the same way when he got his first GP ride a few years ago. But things change...and what was probably the best thing to happen to him at the time might have turned into "just a job" (that apparently didn't pay that well). :(


"No matter how beautiful she is, someone, somewhere is tired of putting up with her shit!" -proverb from a t-shirt


Maybe that's what AH was feeling about his ride. Who knows?
 
Wait4Rich said:
I'm sure Hoffman probably felt the same way when he got his first GP ride a few years ago. But things change...and what was probably the best thing to happen to him at the time might have turned into "just a job" (that apparently didn't pay that well). :(


"No matter how beautiful she is, someone, somewhere is tired of putting up with her shit!" -proverb from a t-shirt


Maybe that's what AH was feeling about his ride. Who knows?
yeah, i know you're right. It's just hard to imagine.

He still had guys in the pits who worked very hard (probably for a lot less pay) and he let them down. sometimes ya just gotta take one for the team.
 
Lester Green said:
yeah, i know you're right. It's just hard to imagine.

He still had guys in the pits who worked very hard (probably for a lot less pay) and he let them down. sometimes ya just gotta take one for the team.
I think what a lot of people forget is the difference between amateur and professional sports. I love racing and intend to keep doing it as long as my body stays together. But I don't think I'd take a professional contract if I was talented enough and it was offered to me now. I'm sure Liam has a better insight into it, but the expectations are very different -- in terms of risk taking and sacrifice of health -- from those of us, who turn in our transponders Sunday night and go back to work the next day. Yesterday, there was an episode of Top Gear on BBC America with Jackie Steward. He was coaching one of the hosts and got him to shave off something insane like 11 seconds in one day. Apparently he coaches current F1 guys to this day. The host asked him why he doesn't do it himself if he's still got it and Jackie said, "Because I don't want to do it anymore."
 
RS250 Chester said:
The last that I can remember in the top class was Chris Walker on the Shell Advance 500.

I heard he told Honda that his BSB Gixxer turned in better than their NSR500 V4. :wow It also didn't help that his 500V4 was being beat by the 500 V-Twin.
 
Yesterday, there was an episode of Top Gear on BBC America with Jackie Steward. He was coaching one of the hosts and got him to shave off something insane like 11 seconds in one day. Apparently he coaches current F1 guys to this day. The host asked him why he doesn't do it himself if he's still got it and Jackie said, "Because I don't want to do it anymore." [/B]


But dude, Jackie Stewart is late 60s maybe even 70. And he is considered one of the greatest racers of all time. Something I highly doubt Alex Hoffman will be considered after this. I am sure at one point back when he was racing, (when people died on a regular from accidents racing), he had some stuff that did not work right, or not competitive, and pushed through. Alex Hoffman took a dump on his whole team.

He could have finished the race even if he just cruised around, had a meeting about it, and quit then. Not in the middle of a race that is going on.
 
This topic has spurred quite a response from everyone, and it is definitely polarizing. Reading through the replies here, and in the Estoril thread, it's evident that people are really placing more emphasis on this than is probably deemed. After all, it's just racing - a sport of passion - not a combat situation where you are counting on someone to keep you safe and alive. I read a few times, and in a few places, that people would give their left n*t to ride a GP bike, or race in MotoGP, and there will always be a part of me that feels the same. However, I want to point out that from my viewpoint, it feels like a lot of armchair enthusiasts are really getting bent out of shape. That doesn't sound very nice, but that's the reality of the situation. Everybody knows better, everybody has a clear picture - sure. This is one of those grey areas, because it's not black and white at all. I know that Alex let us down - the crew, that is - but we are a team and if he's having trouble or a problem, we would all want to help the best we could. I"ll tell you, we knew what was up when he pulled in, just by looking at his face through the helmet. Not a single person on the team was angry, we were all just saddened. I suppose the reality is, I'm too close to everything right now. You can't really understand when you're in it, like when your folks are getting divorced and they're both confiding in you. It's altogether so complicated and sticky. And this is just one part of it. Really - the glamour and mystique of the series is part of the build-up and adds to the excitement, but I'll tell you that every one of us out here is human. I really, really think there were so many classier ways to go about this whole mess. It bums me out. Anyway, it's 6:30PM here at the track and Shinichi has just shown up so we're changing the bike up a bit for him. Might be a long night, haha.
 
You, the team and Alex are the only ones that really know what's up, Liam. Do what you need to to keep on pace, and deal with the aftermath later.

p.s... What's Shinichi's race number? I need to update the ro2 tipping database. :teeth

-jim
 
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Go Shin!!!!!!
 
ecruz said:
I heard he told Honda that his BSB Gixxer turned in better than their NSR500 V4. :wow It also didn't help that his 500V4 was being beat by the 500 V-Twin.

I remember reading that the team couldn't afford to keep him because he crashed the bike so many times. Made it difficult on a limited budget. Also, Honda wouldn't allow him to change any settings.
 
Tires

Not sure how many are clued in to this, but the word in the paddock is that the highly "vague" press release from Dorna "proposing" a Spec Tire for 2008 . . . . is actually the death-knell for healthy competition between the tire manufacturers. Many people are really upset about this, but it seems like Carmelo Ezpeleta is going to go for a single tire maker in '08, and people believe this is because Rossi and Pedrosa (or their teams) are pushing for it. While this may make for more close racing within a year or three (see: WSBK), ultimately, all this does, in my opinion, is neuter the developments and advancements that would come from some solid fighting between Michelin and Bridgestone. While the word is supposed to drop in Malaysia, the buzz is that Spec Tire is going to happen and the decision in Sepang is going to be whether or not it's Bridgestone, Michelin, or Dunlop supplying the entire paddock. Another reason why this might be happening is because the press/journalists are repeatedly saying how boring and F1-like the races have become. "People don't root for tire manufacturers". Well guess what? That's part of this game. I feel it is penalizing the people who did their job this season, people like Stoner, Ducati, and Bridgestone. Everyone had the option of switching tire makers last season is preparation for '07, but no one did. Everyone had the same chance to gear up for '07, and obviously Michelin, Honda, and Yamaha dropped the ball more than the rest. Now . . after only one season, everyone wants to change the rules again. It's a real kick in the teeth for everyone who's worked hard at Ducati, Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Bridgestone for the last several years. This is the World Championship, for crying out loud, not some Spec Series or crappy little league racing.

Anyway, I thought I'd open this up to you guys. Thoughts?
 
This season has been boring.

Spec tires are the best way to make things less boring.

I'm not terribly interested in watching "racing" which is entirely dependent on how the latest batch of rubber turned out behind closed doors on Wednesday night. I'd rather watch racing which depends on the rider's actions on the TV the day of the race.

However, I hear you when you say that Bridgestone/Ducati/Stoner have worked hard to get where they are. With a spec tire, I think Ducati/Stoner could continue to work hard and get good results, and if they didn't work hard they wouldn't win.
 
The tires only became an issue when it was Michelin not dominating as they have for the past 15 years. The last time Michelin wasn't on the championship bike 1991, Wayne Rainey on Dunlops.
 
Estoril was F1 like? Really? What are these guys smoking?

Completely new bikes this year, and people are shocked that one team/tire company figured it out before everyone else? And now we NEED A SPEC TIRE RIGHT NOW!

If Pedrosa/Hayden/Honda/Michelin or Rossi were running away with races, no one would be clamoring for a spec tire or saying the races were boring.

The other manufacturers and Michelin are already catching up. They didn't see Ducati/Bridgestone coming, which was cool to watch. And I don't think anyone gives Stoner enough credit, if it was just the bike/tires, Capirossi should have done better this year.

If you want to watch a spec series, go watch NASCAR. WSBK has spec tires. GP is the big leagues, the fewer rules, the better.
 
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