John-O
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I guess with all the silly season stuff going on its hard for the teams and not just the riders to stay focused on completing the current season. It sucks to half ass it.
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*Liam's Wild Ride*
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jrace
MotoGPhreak
Prior to the race the Pramac d'Antin team announced that Sylvain Guintoli, the very same rider who punted Hoffman off the track in the corkscrew and caused a horrible injury to Alex at Laguna not so long ago had been signed to ride for them in 2008.
I'd be a bit down, too. Like I said, kinda sad all around.
-jim
I'd be a bit down, too. Like I said, kinda sad all around.
-jim
LADY VENOM
~ on our way ~
MotoLiam said:
Insightful. Prophetic. No doubt, you know exactly what you're talking about.
>Q>who contributes to the suckage of motivation that I feel certain members are exibiting at this point in the season>Q>
Liam,
I never thought you were talking about AH in this statement!
Maybe you weren't?
Comment please, when you have a sec.....must be REAL hectic around there now.
Sad days, for sure.
Liam,
I never thought you were talking about AH in this statement!
Maybe you weren't?
Comment please, when you have a sec.....must be REAL hectic around there now.
Sad days, for sure.
The Hoff just got sacked. Chaz Davies tops the list of riders who might join Alex Barros for the remainder of the season.
http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~6~id~154579.htm
http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~6~id~154579.htm
It would show that he's a professional, that he recognizes that fighting for whatever position is his job and what he's being paid to do, that he merits respect as a racer never willing to give up.com3 said:
com3
highside surprise!
HiggyB said:
*shrugs* methinks it'd get real boring, real fast... considering he's been vieing for last for, what, 2 seasons now? perheps it's in d'antin's better interest to replace him anyhow. what better reason for them now?
Then maybe he should stop accepting paychecks and get outta Dodge, no? I mean come on, he's a highly paid professional rider, as long as you're on the payroll give it your all, whether that's for a podium or to avoid DFL or anything in between.com3 said:
LADY VENOM
~ on our way ~
HiggyB said:
couldn't agree with you more, higgy ...
No, he offered a poor performance such that he had to be terminated. He should have manned up, rode as hard as he could for the race and then took a voluntary bow out. I dare say he should have been professional enough to ride hard through the end of the season then leave. Just up and quitting mid-race so early shits on all the hard work everyone around him puts in.USARMworker said:
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jrace
MotoGPhreak
com3 said:*shrugs* methinks it'd get real boring, real fast... considering he's been vieing for last for, what, 2 seasons now? perheps it's in d'antin's better interest to replace him anyhow. what better reason for them now?
Whoa, Back up here. Hofmann *was* having a great season up until the USGP and Guintoli in the Corkscrew. He'd been far from the back, until he was injured. Top ten in points is very respectable... Ahead of Nicky even, back then.
Don't go making stuff up, now...
http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/motogp_riders.htm?menu=riders&rider_id=2545&from=archive
-jim
Lester Green
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No, he QUIT in the MIDDLE of a RACE..something you might see a small child do in the middle of a pony league game. He should be blackballed.USARMworker said:
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Interesting
I was wondering what everyone thought of the Hoffman incident. I don't blame Luis for giving him the boot. That's like someone going to work, stealing, and then justifying it by saying "Well, they don't pay me enough, so I take stuff to make up for it". No, get another job you lazy slob!
What I have NOT seen here is any criticism or anyone alluding to Miguel Duhamel pulling the same stunt at Laguna. Dude: legend or not, titles or not, you took the ride. A ride any one of us reading this and maybe one or two of us were qualified for to ride. You... f'n... quit. I would have said "Go retire then. Take your fine wife and make her your new full time ride."
So what does Honda, the Detroit Red Wings (interesting; "red") of motorcycling do? The expellers of all things legendary, i.e. McGrath, Carmichael, Rossi, etc. do? They fire Zemke (today) and RE-SIGN the French Toastee to run with another Ducati refugee. Nice work Red. Nice... Good luck Jake, if you're reading this. I hope you get a surprise ride with a great outfit. Personally, now might be a great time to pick up the one D'Antin ride remaining. You'll have to beat Barros maybe but I'd bet they'd take you. Factory bikes, accroding to Luis.... mmmmmm.... Factory.....
I was wondering what everyone thought of the Hoffman incident. I don't blame Luis for giving him the boot. That's like someone going to work, stealing, and then justifying it by saying "Well, they don't pay me enough, so I take stuff to make up for it". No, get another job you lazy slob!
What I have NOT seen here is any criticism or anyone alluding to Miguel Duhamel pulling the same stunt at Laguna. Dude: legend or not, titles or not, you took the ride. A ride any one of us reading this and maybe one or two of us were qualified for to ride. You... f'n... quit. I would have said "Go retire then. Take your fine wife and make her your new full time ride."
So what does Honda, the Detroit Red Wings (interesting; "red") of motorcycling do? The expellers of all things legendary, i.e. McGrath, Carmichael, Rossi, etc. do? They fire Zemke (today) and RE-SIGN the French Toastee to run with another Ducati refugee. Nice work Red. Nice... Good luck Jake, if you're reading this. I hope you get a surprise ride with a great outfit. Personally, now might be a great time to pick up the one D'Antin ride remaining. You'll have to beat Barros maybe but I'd bet they'd take you. Factory bikes, accroding to Luis.... mmmmmm.... Factory.....
Aegon
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Miguel was a roadblock on an unfamiliar bike, on a course which had 2 major incidents involving riders getting severely hurt. He did the right thing.
Not so for Hoff.
Not so for Hoff.
whorida002000
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Hoffman is tripping. No motivation.......that is like coming in to work and telling them you have no motivation to work because of a seating arrangement. It is not the best seat.
Let's be honest. It is not a total factory squad so you knew there was going to be some extra work having to be put in just to be close to the Factory. On top of that you are getting paid, I wager, no small salary to be there pushing that bike to it's limits.
So winner or not we all know the bike is not anywhere near the worst bike/tire combination on the grid.
If that was my rider and I owned the team it would be EXTREMELY hard for me not to go beat the rat shit out of him. I am paying you and you quit in the middle of the race?!?!?? It would be far more acceptable to quit after the race and after expressing what you feel is wrong with the bike to the team. But that is some bitch shit to quit in the middle of a race.
Maybe there is a part of the story I am missing, but it would have to be something deep and serious to excuse quitting in the middle of a race.
Let's be honest. It is not a total factory squad so you knew there was going to be some extra work having to be put in just to be close to the Factory. On top of that you are getting paid, I wager, no small salary to be there pushing that bike to it's limits.
So winner or not we all know the bike is not anywhere near the worst bike/tire combination on the grid.
If that was my rider and I owned the team it would be EXTREMELY hard for me not to go beat the rat shit out of him. I am paying you and you quit in the middle of the race?!?!?? It would be far more acceptable to quit after the race and after expressing what you feel is wrong with the bike to the team. But that is some bitch shit to quit in the middle of a race.
Maybe there is a part of the story I am missing, but it would have to be something deep and serious to excuse quitting in the middle of a race.
ulrichw
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Without judgment, here is a translation of the report of the incident from Alex' website (www.alex66.com):
16.09.2007
Senseless to ride on
Actually Alex Hofmann wanted to attack in the Portugal Grand Prix and show his start-grid neighboring Ducati riders Loris Capirossi and Alex Barros a thing or two. However in the warmup the NATENCO-sponsored Moto-GP rider was caught cold by a clutch problem. Hofmann quickly climbed on his spare bike in the pit lane and chased the field for eleven laps. But because the second bike had neither the correct set-up or tire choice, his hopeless chase was pointless. "Riding behind [the pack] and waiting for others to drop out is not my way to race," he then told himself - and pulled into the box early.
This annoyed his Team boss Luis d'Antin, who publicly insinuated that the only german MotoGP-Rider apparently lacked motivation. "The opposite is the case. I was motivated to the roots of my hairs. But when you have to switch motorcycles because of a defect and then discover that the second motorcycle hasn't been appropriately prepared and the chasing is completely senseless, you have no choice", Hofmann defended himself.
The clutch problems already started in the sighting lap. "My boys still tried to find out what was going on, but weren't able to track down the defect," described Hofmann. "In the warmup session the clutch completely went on strike - in the chicane I couldn't downshift from third to first gear anymore."
Nothing was left for Hofmann than to, instead of rolling on to the starting grid, turn into the pit lane and there get onto the spare motorcycle. Unfortunately his bad fortune continued with the number-two machine: "The light at the end of the pit lane stubbornly stayed red. The field had already disappeared in the first turn when I finally - still with the red light - rode away," explained Hofmann. "Unfortunately we also didn't have the right rear tire - it was way too soft and didn't survive the temperature. Everything didn't fit. I still tried relatively furiously to find the conneciton in the first seven or eight laps, but discovered that the gap to the next group in front of me was not getting any smaller. A championship point might have leapt out due to the dropping out of other riders, but as said: This isn't the way that I want to race," insisted Hofmann.
Despite the criticism of his Team boss, Hofmann's motivation for the next races is unbroken. "It is my goal to build on the efforts and results that we were able to reach before my hand injury. But in order to do this, the motorcycle has to function at least normally."
At the head of the race, Yamaha-superstar Valentino Rossi wan an incredible duel against spaniard Dani Pedrosa (Honda). Championship-Leader Casey Stoner this time achieved the third place - and needs only to finish ahead of Rossi in the next race in Japan in order to be able to celebrate the World Championship Title early.
16.09.2007
Senseless to ride on
Actually Alex Hofmann wanted to attack in the Portugal Grand Prix and show his start-grid neighboring Ducati riders Loris Capirossi and Alex Barros a thing or two. However in the warmup the NATENCO-sponsored Moto-GP rider was caught cold by a clutch problem. Hofmann quickly climbed on his spare bike in the pit lane and chased the field for eleven laps. But because the second bike had neither the correct set-up or tire choice, his hopeless chase was pointless. "Riding behind [the pack] and waiting for others to drop out is not my way to race," he then told himself - and pulled into the box early.
This annoyed his Team boss Luis d'Antin, who publicly insinuated that the only german MotoGP-Rider apparently lacked motivation. "The opposite is the case. I was motivated to the roots of my hairs. But when you have to switch motorcycles because of a defect and then discover that the second motorcycle hasn't been appropriately prepared and the chasing is completely senseless, you have no choice", Hofmann defended himself.
The clutch problems already started in the sighting lap. "My boys still tried to find out what was going on, but weren't able to track down the defect," described Hofmann. "In the warmup session the clutch completely went on strike - in the chicane I couldn't downshift from third to first gear anymore."
Nothing was left for Hofmann than to, instead of rolling on to the starting grid, turn into the pit lane and there get onto the spare motorcycle. Unfortunately his bad fortune continued with the number-two machine: "The light at the end of the pit lane stubbornly stayed red. The field had already disappeared in the first turn when I finally - still with the red light - rode away," explained Hofmann. "Unfortunately we also didn't have the right rear tire - it was way too soft and didn't survive the temperature. Everything didn't fit. I still tried relatively furiously to find the conneciton in the first seven or eight laps, but discovered that the gap to the next group in front of me was not getting any smaller. A championship point might have leapt out due to the dropping out of other riders, but as said: This isn't the way that I want to race," insisted Hofmann.
Despite the criticism of his Team boss, Hofmann's motivation for the next races is unbroken. "It is my goal to build on the efforts and results that we were able to reach before my hand injury. But in order to do this, the motorcycle has to function at least normally."
At the head of the race, Yamaha-superstar Valentino Rossi wan an incredible duel against spaniard Dani Pedrosa (Honda). Championship-Leader Casey Stoner this time achieved the third place - and needs only to finish ahead of Rossi in the next race in Japan in order to be able to celebrate the World Championship Title early.
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Is it just me?
Or does anyone else often find themselves saying "What would Rossi do in that situation and how well would he have finished"? Think Laguna '06. Tire gone engine cutting out so he blew it up trying to rev it into a competitive level. Hayden does the same. What would they have done? Sure, it's a 'b' bike but even the b-bikes in moto gp are still within a second of the A-bikes on most occasions. Barros and Capriossi were two guys winning a lot of races on the Pons West Hondas. I'll ride the danged bike then. Just set it up for 6'7" tall, 201 pounds. Dunlops are fine if you can't spare any 'Stones. I'll manage. I'm not Biaggi. Nor Hoffman.
Or does anyone else often find themselves saying "What would Rossi do in that situation and how well would he have finished"? Think Laguna '06. Tire gone engine cutting out so he blew it up trying to rev it into a competitive level. Hayden does the same. What would they have done? Sure, it's a 'b' bike but even the b-bikes in moto gp are still within a second of the A-bikes on most occasions. Barros and Capriossi were two guys winning a lot of races on the Pons West Hondas. I'll ride the danged bike then. Just set it up for 6'7" tall, 201 pounds. Dunlops are fine if you can't spare any 'Stones. I'll manage. I'm not Biaggi. Nor Hoffman.
jrace
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Ya know, until Liam gets back online here, I really think we're threadcrapping the hell out of what has been to date an amazing experience. And I imagine this is NOT what he's going to want to read when he does get back on BARF.
Might I politely suggest that if you'd like to discuss the Alex Hofmann situation, the topic already devoted to just that would be a better place?
http://www.rideontwo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1132&start=261
-jim
Might I politely suggest that if you'd like to discuss the Alex Hofmann situation, the topic already devoted to just that would be a better place?
http://www.rideontwo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1132&start=261
-jim
John-O
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Lack of motivation? Too bad AH had to pull out like that.
In China AB went down thanks to torpedo fish Elias, he picked up the bike and became the only person to bump start a Desmosedici. His race pace was on par with the leaders even if he came in near to last he kept racing because you never know whats bound to fall in your favor.
I wonder what the team's reaction is to Guintoli sigining on?
In China AB went down thanks to torpedo fish Elias, he picked up the bike and became the only person to bump start a Desmosedici. His race pace was on par with the leaders even if he came in near to last he kept racing because you never know whats bound to fall in your favor.
I wonder what the team's reaction is to Guintoli sigining on?