More truck talk. All-electric Ford F150 Lightning.

[DynastySS]

I think I'm going to buy one. I wanted a truck and this seems awesome

 

[R3DS!X]

This is actually really great. Even if it seems otherwise EV's are still pretty new to mainstream and if this is the ground floor early shit, it's pretty great. If my Avalanche ever craps out I would look long and hard at this, too bad the ls engines are tanks lol.

 

[GAJ]

A useful feature.

Oddly most (all) EVs at the moment do not allow you to do this.

Yes, this battery-powered truck can really power your house when the lights go out, and better still, doing so won't require a rat's nest of extension cords or even a portable generator. What Ford calls Intelligent Backup Power enables this all-electric rig to feed power from its enormous battery pack through its hardwired wall charger directly into your home's electrical system.

Ford hasn't said how large these electron reservoirs are, but we're estimating they'll clock in at roughly 110 and 150 kWh, respectively.

The Lightning can provide up to 9.6 kW of power output.

According to Ford, that's more than enough to fully power a house at any one time, and considering the size of the battery, it could do that for at least three days (based on a daily average of 30 kWh).

The automaker says you can make that power last for up to 10 days if you ration the electricity accordingly. Kind of like hypermiling for your home.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/...lectric-truck-intelligent-backup-power-house/

2000 kwh generator will power a fridge and whatnot so you could have the bare essentials running for, quite a few days with the truck.

10 days is a stretch.

Average home uses about 28 kwh per day.

Still a useful feature.

 

[CDONA]

Another storied name of performance muddied, infused with the concept of green.

So sad, , ,

 

[DynastySS]

Another storied name of performance muddied, infused with the concept of green.

So sad, , ,

Fastest f150 ever and muddied performance. Does not compute.

 

[R3DS!X]

I remember the ford lighting being a performance truck so i kind of get it but come on, electric ford truck that goes 0-60 in 5 seconds, what were you expecting them to not use an electric moniker that they already have??

 

[DynastySS]

I remember the ford lighting being a performance truck so i kind of get it but come on, electric ford truck that goes 0-60 in 5 seconds, what were you expecting them to not use an electric moniker that they already have??

Sucker apparently rips a 4.4 0-60, that is wild to me.

 

[TheRobSJ]

I dunno.

I'm excited for it!

230miles (for the standard range) is more than enough for me and most people for that matter. 0-60 in less than 5 seconds. AWD. $40K less the $7500 federal tax credit makes it a pretty spectacular deal when prices of trucks are just ridiculous in general.

Maybe I'll be an early adopter of the Lightning.

Plus I think there’s $1500 from the state maybe?

 

[TheRobSJ]

How do they expect to sell an electric truck when it doesn't cost $100,000??

Hey now, they’ll make one for those who wanna spend that kind of money. Platinum trim is over $90k.

A new F-150 Platinum/King Ranch/Limited…is an awful nice place to spend time racking up miles.

 

[ScarySpikes]

So, looking at the specs I am a bit mixed on this thing.

Per Ford, 230 and 300 Range for standard and long range, from estimated 115 kWh and 150 kWh battery packs. That range is actually really, really bad compared to what we normally see from the EV sedans and crossovers currently on the market. I think that this is down to a combination of weight, a very boxy, un-aerodynamic body, and probably a pretty modest battery management profile designed to preserve longevity (Porsche does this as well, leading to the Taycan's very low range ratings, but incredibly consistent performance numbers in terms of top speed and acceleration. If we look at the proposed competition, most of them will likely have at least some of the same issues with range. I think Tesla will win in terms of range because the triangle thing is more aerodynamic than the boxes everyone else is producing, and as a company they have been much more willing to use the full capabilities of their battery packs at the cost of the longevity of those packs.

I don't understand how a grown up company like Ford can call a frunk with a few electrical outlets a "Mega Power Frunk", that being said, it does look well thought out, and very, very massive. Even if you need to stop more often for your F150 lightning road trip, you will be able to carry a whole lot of stuff, so, cool, from that front. On those distances, when accounting for variable speeds, hills, etc. actual road tripping range is probably going to be as low as 200 or so for the smaller model, 250 or so for the larger battery, and from what we know of other vehicles towing, probably 100 miles or less towing at max capacity. Be prepared to stop a lot on road trips, though fast charging is faster than ever so it's probably not completely terrible so long as you have access to the fast charging network during your road trip.

I think they will sell a whole bunch of them, and I definitely think that the 40k 'work truck' version will fix exactly the needs for a lot of people, and accounting for the tax credits, is close enough to the cost of a standard stripped out F150 to be a consideration for a lot of businesses.

Sadly, the company that said they want to make my favorite of the future EV trucks has been having some issues.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/17/22441025/canoo-sec-investigation-spac-merger-projections

They are joining Lordstown motors and a few other EV startups as EV companies facing quite a bit of scrutiny for potential scams and/or fraud. Turns out running car companies is really hard.

 

[UDRider]

Another storied name of performance muddied, infused with the concept of green.

So sad, , ,

I know right? If you can't role coal and force everyone to breath that nasty shit it aint a truck! /s

 

[msethhunter]

Fastest f150 ever and muddied performance. Does not compute.

Because Ford Lightning has always been about burning gas and hauling ass. They should have made a short box standard can and put a supercharged GT500 engine in it, and given this thing a different name.

 

[DynastySS]

Because Ford Lightning has always been about burning gas and hauling ass. They should have made a short box standard can and put a supercharged GT500 engine in it, and given this thing a different name.

Sure but I can't imagine a better name for an electric car than lightning

 

[splat]

I think Tesla will win in terms of range because the triangle thing is more aerodynamic than the boxes everyone else is producing, and as a company they have been much more willing to use the full capabilities of their battery packs at the cost of the longevity of those packs.

Uh...how aerodynamic do you think this car would be then?

Probably VERY, right?

 

[splat]

Sure but I can't imagine a better name for an electric car than lightning

Bolt?

Volt?

Leaf?

 

[stangmx13]

Amazon, Walmart, FedEx, UPS, etc are going to buy a TON of those e-Transits. I see that as a huge plus for the whole e-vehicle industry. Hopefully the economies of scale will really kick in and bring prices for batteries and other parts way down.

 

[R3DS!X]

Bolt?

Volt?

Leaf?

I may be mistaken but i believe those names are already taken by other competing manufactures....

Pick a name Ford already owns the rights to, that's a truck, and electricity related.....

This is no where near as bad as the mustang mach-e, not even in the same ballpark.

 

[UDRider]

Amazon, Walmart, FedEx, UPS, etc are going to buy a TON of those e-Transits. I see that as a huge plus for the whole e-vehicle industry. Hopefully the economies of scale will really kick in and bring prices for batteries and other parts way down.

What would be their financial incentives? Lower operating costs?

Edit as I posted above, this popped up on my linkedin feed from FedEx.

To help achieve carbon neutral operations by 2040, our goal is to convert our parcel pickup and delivery fleet to zero-emission electric vehicles.

 

[ScarySpikes]

Uh...how aerodynamic do you think this car would be then?

Probably VERY, right?

Nope, I said 'more aerodynamic', not 'aerodynamic' for a reason.

https://thenextweb.com/news/heres-how-the-cybertrucks-aerodynamics-compare-to-regular-trucks

More telling is a comparison of the Cybertruck with two existing vehicles, the Ford F150 and Dodge Ram 1500. Boats and Engines achieved a drag co-efficient of 0.39 at 60 mph for the Cybertruck, compared to 0.59 for the F150 and 0.56 for the Ram 1500.

Elon Musk claims that the Cybertruck could have a cD number of less than .3.
Elon Musk is also a liar and conman, so let's go with the .39 number that Boats and Engines found from their testing, mostly because they have direct comparisons to other truck designs using the same methodology. The Cybertruck design is way more efficient than traditional trucks in terms of drag, and the new, electric F150 does not look likely to be much more efficient than a normal F150 considering the dimensions appear to be essentially the same.

Based on those tests, the Cybertruck design is also more efficient than your Lamborghini Countach above, which has a cD of .42.

The most efficient cars on the road today have drag coefficients of .22 -.23. Compared to them, the Cybertruck is not 'efficient' and there probably is no way to design a truck to be truly efficient compared to well designed sedans. However, purely in terms of drag, the design is more efficient than traditional trucks.

 

[stangmx13]

What would be their financial incentives? Lower operating costs?

Edit as I posted above, this popped up on my linkedin feed from FedEx.

That would be my guess. Plus they'll improve their public image a ton by going fully 'green'.

Solar panels on the roof of distribution warehouses, battery banks inside, and a big parking lot for charging. I wouldn't be surprised if Ford worked with all these companies to run the numbers before thinking about building an e-Transit.