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MotoGP Off-Season Thread

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Looks like the CRT Aprilia bikes should quit farting around with homemade frames and instead duplicate the stock Aprilia streetbike frame. :laughing
Well... I kinda mentioned this yesterday :laughing
Where the heck is sidewazz, so I can rag on him about WSBKs being faster, dang it.
Paul Bird is an idiot.
I am not sure about that, cause he doesn't pay his riders enough for fish and chips. So he has that going for him.

But what is with the Ellison - Laverty love-hate, here? It's not like either of these guys have set the world on fire. While I think "not the Stan" makes better arguments in this case, Ellison really hasn't done anything, so I gotta go with JO on the "what the heck, at least Laverty looks fast" and he finished pretty well in WSBK. I don't know, we are CRT bench racing for Christ's sake. :laughing
 
Kawasaki thought so. Although with the drug/gun thing it's hard to tell how much was just that situation. I would have moved on, if I was the Green Machine.
 
no way in hell is that true (assuming conditions are adequate and comparable to QP and/or the race). throwaway in terms of what? setup time, def not. assessing tires, nope. gearing, no. rider comfort (ie knowing the track), nope. comparing todays baseline to last years, prob not. the only occasion these riders & teams ever waste track time is during those stupid half-n-half weather conditions.


With the changing rules/tires situation, FP1 hasn't counted for much of anything except for everyone to form a baseline. Last years data is only good for a ballpark and may even be completely useless.

More important though is my other point: they'll get a lot more useful development direction from a guy who is a few tenths faster. Ellison has never joined an existing team and improved their results.


He ran his wsbk team crappily too.

Kawasaki thought so. Although with the drug/gun thing it's hard to tell how much was just that situation. I would have moved on, if I was the Green Machine.



Just a quick glance at Kawi's results supports this conclusion.
 
Pirro is coming through w/ the goods, photos for us i mean.

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Paul Bird is an idiot.

[edited].....I am not sure about that, cause he doesn't pay his riders enough for fish and chips. So he has that going for him........

I suppose clutch slip gets my ill-informed vote here

despite all the bad press, etc., this odd [sketchy?] Bird has somehow levitated his MotoGP CRT team for the entire 2012 season - that's some kinda result, eh? mebbe even deserving of a shred of cred

during a 2002 UK visit, rental Mondeo tooling down a quiet UK 2-laner, I drove right by what was obviously a M/C or car team's Midlands base. Tho' it wasn't KR's operation, it was worth the weird, wrong-way country U-turn to enter "Team Super Sabre", a 2nd-generation family business where they :
- ran motoGP 125s & 250s
- dynoed other teams' motors [including 500-4s]
- developed expansion chambers
- maintained others' racebikes
- transported all of above to the races
- etc., etc.

the driving bravery netted a "Super Sabre" umbrella, corporate press kit, swag, etc. [no stickers or patches]

once ret'd to RWC, a search for Super Sabre's GP placings produced.....not much -
mebbe Super Sabre operated a Paul Bird-level organization, a decade ago


.....we are CRT bench racing for Christ's sake.....:laughing

uh oh - you are correct, Sir!
 
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[edited] ........ ( I love when you do this. Very classy. :p]
the driving bravery netted a "Super Sabre" umbrella, corporate press kit, swag, etc. [no stickers or patches]
I am so jelly about the whole thing, but.....
You are worried about stickers, when you got an UMBRELLA? That is so wicked. I would so rock a yard full of racing umbrellas, instead of a bike, or tool box, covered in stickers.
 
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[edited].....I am so jelly about the whole thing, but.....
You are worried about stickers, when you got an UMBRELLA? That is so wicked. I would so rock a yard full of racing umbrellas, instead of a bike, or tool box, covered in stickers......

the way-cool, silver [with red-&-yellow hi-lites] "Super Sabre" umbrella was left behind soon thereafter, leaning against the wall in the London airport loo....

patches endure being sewn onto various jackets, shirts, etc. - or are given away

stickers are trimmed & added to a helmet or pickup or bike -
also, gifted to others [if sticker has escaped being applied to inner garage door]
 
I don't know that he has learned nothing. There is always something to learn from every experience. This one has simply left a very bitter taste in his mouth and he is blocking it away. Too bad, because I think that if he were really honest with himself, there would be something of value there that could be applied moving forward.

No matter how advanced you are in a given sport, even a perceived "God" like status, you are going to get your ass kicked at some point. That Ducati and the whole situation there was a real ass-whuppin for him. It befuddled him to a point where he just disconnected from it. His ego just couldn't accepth that he couldn't make the bike better.

How he responds to that is yet to be seen. It's too early to tell just how competitive he will be on the M1. As a fan, though, you live for this stuff!
 
so apparently 2 days of testing is good enough to put WSBK machines ahead of the slowest factory prototype. Nicky almost never puts in hot laps when hes working through a long testing schedule, but its still funny to see Laverty and Sykes ahead of him.

http://www.motomatters.com/results/2012/11/28/jerez_wsbk_and_ducati_motogp_test_day_3_.html

Well they're also ahead of Hayden and Rossi's qualifying times this year.

At least the GP bike is faster than the Panigale :laughing No wonder Hayden wasn't interested in switching to WorldSBK.




Pos No. Rider Bike Series Time Diff Previous
1 58 Eugene Laverty Aprilia WSBK 1:40.185
2 66 Tom Sykes Kawasaki WSBK 1:40.400 0.215 0.215
3 69 Nicky Hayden Ducati MotoGP 1:40.855 0.670 0.455
4 84 Michel Fabrizio Aprilia WSBK 1:40.956 0.771 0.101
5 50 Sylvain Guintoli Aprilia WSBK 1:41.239 1.054 0.283
6 76 Loris Baz Kawasaki WSBK 1:41.500 1.315 0.261
7 51 Michele Pirro Ducati MotoGP 1:41.720 1.535 0.220
8 33 Marco Melandri BMW WSBK 1:41.800 1.615 0.080
9 29 Andrea Iannone Ducati MotoGP 1:41.834 1.649 0.034
10 66 Alex Hofmann Aprilia WSBK 1:42.103 1.918 0.269
11 7 Hiroshi Aoyama FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:42.509 2.324 0.406
12 8 Hector Barbera FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:42.900 2.715 0.391
13 7 Carlos Checa Ducati WSBK 1:43.089 2.904 0.189
14 19 Chaz Davies BMW WSBK 1:43.400 3.215 0.311
15 86 Ayrton Badovini Ducati WSBK 1:45.452 5.267 2.052
16 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati MotoGP 1:48.516 8.331 3.064
 
Hayden is way faster on day two!

From the gpone and the Bing translator:

Andrea Dovizioso has always stopped in the pits for ripping around my neck but the Ducati can go on vacation with some doubts.
On the second day at Jerez test Nicky Hayden fell to 1 ' 40 "090, best performance of the season on the Andalusian track of the Desmosedici. In GP last spring the American had the fastest lap in race 1 ' 41 "363, while in qualifying was stopped at 1 ' 40" 563. In the same circumstance had turned Red in 1 ' 41 "060 (race) and 1 ' 42" 961 (capacity).
Okay, in that weekend weather conditions were not ideal but even today: despite the Sun the temperature did not exceed the 11° C, just 21° C on the tarmac. Boundary conditions for the Bridgestone struggling much to go to room temperature.
It is a well-known problem that even today has affected the tests. Back on track to cut further its crono Hayden lost the front curve 3 (first left), accident without consequences but stopped the programme of work. Nicky was fast using the chassis used in the second part of the world, not the evolution that took Ducati along with a swingarm.
The last test 2012 goes on until tomorrow (Friday 30 November) but Hayden has already flown in Kentucky: was scheduled in advance that its work programme lasted two days, instead of three. Ducati hopes to recover in extremis Andrea Dovizioso that even today, while back on track, he remained undercover for ripping his neck during auto rally of Monza last weekend and riacutizzatosi Wednesday after just three laps.
Begins to raise the pace Andrea Iannone, dropped below the wall of 1 ' 41. " His final performance, 1 ' 40 "989 obtained during a marathon by ben 72 laps, is in line with what Hayden had scored in the previous day. Not bad for the deb landed from Moto2. Iannone and Michele Pirro tester will also track Friday, with forecasts announcing rain in the morning and read in the afternoon sunny intervals: another Ducati tile that needs to go and figure out how to solve the problems of the D16.
Aprilia and Kawasaki matches on front of the fastest Superbikes was Marco Melandri spintosi up to 1 ' 40 "race rubber 816 SC0, the softest. With the SC1 had 1 ' 41 "4 repeatedly for several rounds. Bmw is trying the Ohlins fork from 48 mm component acquired from MotoGP, instead of 42 used last season. Melandri is experiencing a different weight distribution for improved front feeling, took several falls during the final phase of the season. The physical condition is not at the top: Marco suffers a pain right shoulder tendon. But Bmw would turn even when wet to experience fast attitude changes that will be essential in 2013 for the pit stop introduced by regulation in case of changed conditions of adhesion.
Growing, albeit slowly, the Ducati Panigale. Carlos Checa has now reduced to little more than a second the gap from Melandri-Bmw, not bad considering that this is just the third exit of the Spanish with the novelty of Borgo Panigale. Earlier Ayrton Badovini, but absolute debut on Panigale and needs time to adapt.
The times:
MotoGP: 1. Nicky Hayden (Usa/Ducati) 1 ' 40 "090 (61); 2. Iannone (Ita/Ducati) 1 ' 40 "989 (72); 3. Pirro (Ita/Ducati) 1 ' 41 "265 (66); 4. Aoyama (Gia-BQR) 1 ' 41 "975 (57); 5. Barbera (Spa-BQR) 1 ' 42 "507.
SBK: 1.Melandri (Ita - Bmw) 1'40 "816 (50);" 2.Checa (Spa-Ducati) 1'41 "840 (58);" 3 Davies (Gb - Bmw) 1'42 "716 (70);" 4 Badovini (Ita-Ducati) 1'44 ' 529 (64). "
STK: 1. Neukirchner (Ger-Ducati) 1'44 ' 426 (56); " 2 Canepa (Ita-Ducati) 1'45 "256 (28);" 3. The Marra (Ita-Ducati) 1'45 "526 (57).
 
faster than his 2012 QP is whats important to me. track temps were the same.

maybe he went for a fast lap on the softer tire, maybe he didnt. but we all know that testing as close as possible to the limit is best :thumbup
 
faster than his 2012 QP is whats important to me. track temps were the same.

maybe he went for a fast lap on the softer tire, maybe he didnt. but we all know that testing as close as possible to the limit is best

Yes I'm just wondering what is different about the bike now that allowed him to find another half-second. Or if the bike is basically the same as when they raced there. And if the bike will be radically redesigned in the offseason so riding the old bike was pointless. :laughing
 
sour grapes
If you are going to accuse people of cheating, you better have something more to say, or keep your mouth shut. Is Moto2 so out of control that one team wouldn't call another for breaking the rules? They should take a lesson from AFM. Guys get called all the time there, and they are racing for plastic trophies and tire contingency. Seems like the bucks might be bigger in Moto2, but who knows. Dang rich California club racers. :laughing
 
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