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No Chris Rock / Will Smith thread? I'm disappointed in you guys

I'm saying I think you're right, just inconsistent in the application. Pointing it out is exactly how we improve our consistency. I personally don't think that's whataboutism, but we do know that whataboutism can be used as a scapegoat.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
I'm still surprised sports where it's legal to beat someone's face and head in until they cannot go on is legal.
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Why? Violence and brutality is human nature, not a corruption of the nurture process. It is hard wired into the species. It makes sense to find safe, controlled ways to explore and relieve that essential aspect of the species identity.

If you as a society do not, the consequences of society finding a natural pressure release can be dire.

HappyHighwayman said:
The fact that we, as humans, used to do worse to each other, is not a pass for what we currently allow each other to do to each other :)
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What sort of pass are you looking for? Understanding that violence, war, murder and brutality never end, that these are not things that can be, "defeated," and should be understood as a normal part of civilization, what kind of pass would you like to see exactly?
 
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Eldritch said:
Why? Violence and brutality is human nature, not a corruption of the nurture process. It is hard wired into the species. It makes sense to find safe, controlled ways to explore and relieve that essential aspect of the species identity.

If you as a society do not, the consequences of society finding a natural pressure release can be dire.



What sort of pass are you looking for? Understanding that violence, war, murder and brutality never end, that these are not things that can be, "defeated," and should be understood as a normal part of civilization, what kind of pass would you like to see exactly?
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It's not Safe.

Chronic traumatic brain injury (CTBI) associated with boxing occurs in approximately 20% of professional boxers. Risk factors associated with CTBI include increased exposure (i.e., duration of career, age of retirement, total number of bouts), poor performance, increased sparring, and apolipoprotein (APOE) genotype.
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I'm not looking for a pass, boxing is given a pass.
 
Eldritch said:
Why? Violence and brutality is human nature, not a corruption of the nurture process. It is hard wired into the species. It makes sense to find safe, controlled ways to explore and relieve that essential aspect of the species identity.

If you as a society do not, the consequences of society finding a natural pressure release can be dire.



What sort of pass are you looking for? Understanding that violence, war, murder and brutality never end, that these are not things that can be, "defeated," and should be understood as a normal part of civilization, what kind of pass would you like to see exactly?
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So is killing, which means....Running Man is morally sound?
 
HappyHighwayman said:
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It's not Safe.

I'm not looking for a pass, boxing is given a pass.
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Of course it is. Society is not harmed by watching boxing. :dunno


byke said:
So is killing, which means....Running Man is morally sound?
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I mean, morals are all relative and subjective abstract concepts, society can define them however they want. In Carthage, it was immoral to not sacrifice some children to Bhaaal when necessary.

I am not a part of that society, haven't lived their experiences and so am unfit to say if that practice was right or wrong and any supposition I made on the morality of their practice would be meaningless due to my lack or association or participation in the events that occurred at the time that they did.

I can say that I would not want to be a part of such a society, be it child sacrifice, or "Running Man," Game Show Style Executions, that is not the society I believe in or want to build, but that doesn't make me any more right or morally superior to anybody else. :dunno
 
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Eldritch said:
Of course it is. Society is not harmed by watching boxing. :dunno
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You're saying that witnessing violence does not cause trauma, no matter how minor? Nor does it normalize violence in society? I suspect some may disagree with that.

Eldritch said:
I mean, morals are all relative and subjective abstract concepts, society can define them however they want. In Carthage, it was immoral to not sacrifice some children to Bhaaal when necessary.

I am not a part of that society, haven't lived their experiences and so am unfit to say if that practice was right or wrong and any supposition I made on the morality of their practice would be meaningless due to my lack or association or participation in the events that occurred at the time that they did.

I can say that I would not want to be a part of such a society, be it child sacrifice, or "Running Man," Game Show Style Executions, that is not the society I believe in or want to build, but that doesn't make me any more right or morally superior to anybody else. :dunno
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Think we've been through this before. If it must be binary, then I disagree with morality being subjective abstract concepts. My reasoning for this is, in order for that to be true, there would have to be no biological difference between good/bad treatment of a living creature, which we know is not true. The opposing force is a human that thinks they know better, which makes Reginald the third with his masters in philosophy as being the peak of all knowledge formulated over millions/billions of years. I'd have no choice but to side with the universe over Reginald.
 
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HappyHighwayman said:
Individuals are harmed. Individuals make up society. Should only "societal" harming things be banned?
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Yes, of course. Individuals are meaningless fuel for society to grind to it's best benefit. Individuals do not matter. :laughing
 
I'd like to clarify that I personally have nothing against boxing, morally, ethically, legally, or otherwise. I just feel it's inconsistent with our modern laws. I get where it comes from, why people want to do it, etc.

Also, it can be quite entertaining.

I still kind of have issues with football helmet/concussion thing since it appears to be quite widespread, the dangers covered up, and clearly it is not safe for children to be engaging in. You just can't be a pro bowler today and then go "I am shocked and dismayed at how messed up my brain is now, woah is me"...in the past, perhaps yes.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
I'd like to clarify that I personally have nothing against boxing, morally, ethically, legally, or otherwise. I just feel it's inconsistent with our modern laws. I get where it comes from, why people want to do it, etc.

Also, it can be quite entertaining.

I still kind of have issues with football helmet/concussion thing since it appears to be quite widespread, the dangers covered up, and clearly it is not safe for children to be engaging in. You just can't be a pro bowler today and then go "I am shocked and dismayed at how messed up my brain is now, woah is me"...in the past, perhaps yes.
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Well, I mean, a great deal of our laws are currently inconsistent, right? Federal, State, Local, they are all both largely static systems, but also subject to democracy and the zeitgeist so change and disruption will often happen inefficiently and ineffectively.

You know how it is with systems, you can start with one idea and then patch it and change it and patch it and change it and on a long enough scale you have completely lost sight of why you even built the thing in the first place, because you are so busy tinkering with the latest section of gadget that is malfunctioning in front of you in the moment.
 
BARF certainly has helped me grow and change as a person. I'm still a work in progress.

Back to Chris Rock vs. Bill Jones or whatever his name is.
 
I mean, the more we can learn to grow and PIIDB, the better off we all are as a person. BARF Rule #1 should always be remembered.
 
TheRobSJ said:
A meaningless move though. All it means is he doesn’t get to receive advance copies of movies to screen at home instead of seeing them in a theater or waiting for them to hit streaming platforms like the rest of plebs. And he doesn’t get to vote on nominees or something like that.

But he’s married to another member, and for all we know some of the kids are members too.

He can still be invited to, nominated for, and attend the Oscars. So really…he didn’t give up anything.
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gixxerjeff said:
I completely agree.
"Meaningless" is the perfect word here.
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I remember reading a comment -- and tbh I don't know if it's true or not but sounds plausible enough -- that unofficially, Academy members win Academy awards. It's possible but significantly less likely for a non-member to take home a statue, and this could also affect his career in that someone who wants to make an Oscar-bait movie should probably want to cast someone else over him.
 
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