Official 2018/2019 Sharks Thread!

[Bowling4Bikes]

Don't kill the messenger! I just posted up the actual written rules. And yes they are up for interpretation. I think that interpretation being as subjective as it is, is what players/fans hate.

Notice that there is nothing on "intent" on that rule also. I know that the announcers were trying to say there was no extra intent to harm, so it must've been the blood on the ice that justified the major. But would that also figure in to interpretation, even though intent isn't written in the rule? Refs got it tough sometimes.

I'm not complaining mind you, totally glad the sharks took advantage. I hope Pavs is ok as well.

I figured as much. apologies if I came off defensive. I'm pretty sure I could learn a thing or two about nhl rules from you. It feels like some people are in shock that the ref could have interpreted the call as a major, which IMO when head injuries occur is always on the table.

only time I see intent-based language is in the match penalty given (59.4). if the ref determines the player "attempted to or deliberately injured", so it appears intent is always looked at to a certain degree. The refs and Gallant got it right to some degree: hard to see a deliberate attempt to injure*, therefore he shouldn't have been given a major and a match, being kicked out of the game. Instead he got a major and a 10 minute misconduct, which is still 5 minutes + 10 of not playing (he didn't come back and play in OT, did he?).

at any rate the point is moot. like you and others are saying, the penalty didn't make the Sharks score 4 in 4 minutes. It was the desire and the awakening that did it.

*IMO eakin was trying to 'rub it in' to the Sharks with that risky hit. The game was in hand and there was no reason left to lay bodies down at that point. He felt safe in taking the risk to give a little more to the Sharks, and it cost them.

 

[#1Freak]

Also, for the Knights fans that wanna blame the refs, how about blowing chances called games 5 & 6 ?!?! People can say what they will, but the chances were there and they didn't take advantage. The Sharks did.

Welcome to heartbreak ridge. It stings, I know.

Now, onto The Avs. arty

yeah I hate that too, calls are missed all series, games are not won or lost because of calls (99% of the time), knights fans (all fans) need to stop crying over that shit. we sucked and should own it and move on.

i get the cross check, no problem with that call.

yup, you have to taste the bitter to enjoy the sweet. we had sweet last year....

 

[*Tina*]

yeah I hate that too, calls are missed all series, games are not won or lost because of calls (99% of the time), knights fans (all fans) need to stop crying over that shit. we sucked and should own it and move on.

i get the cross check, no problem with that call.

yup, you have to taste the bitter to enjoy the sweet. we had sweet last year....

And you guys will have good years to come !!! Shit, we didn't see the playoffs til year 3. arty

Cheers to a fun new rivalry

 

[Akira-R]

Man, VGK brought it. The whole series was fun to watch as a fan. Both teams left nothing on the ice, sans a few teeth and pints of blood.

I look forward to many more games like this in the future.

@Bowling4Bikes

The don't kill the messenger was just tongue in cheek

I just love discussing things. I hope I didn't come off harsh/brash as well.

Also, i don't think Eakin was given a match. He was given a misconduct, which is an automatic from getting the major.

Also, looking at the TOI and game stream play by play. I didn't see anything stating he returned on ice after the 10 min misconduct.

VGK 9:13 Cody Eakin (Cross-Checking - 5 min) drawn by Joe Pavelski served by Ryan Reaves
VGK 9:13 Cody Eakin (Game Misconduct - 10 min) drawn by Joe Pavelski

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

yeah I hate that too, calls are missed all series, games are not won or lost because of calls (99% of the time), knights fans (all fans) need to stop crying over that shit. we sucked and should own it and move on.

i get the cross check, no problem with that call.

yup, you have to taste the bitter to enjoy the sweet. we had sweet last year....

if it's any consolation, the Knights most likely took too much out of the Sharks for a lengthy playoff run. It took everything the Sharks had to pull off a series win against a great team, and now they are left battered and even slower than normal. And most likely without Pavs, which is huge.

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

Man, VGK brought it. The whole series was fun to watch as a fan. Both teams left nothing on the ice, sans a few teeth and pints of blood.

I look forward to many more games like this in the future.

@Bowling4Bikes

The don't kill the messenger was just tongue in cheek

I just love discussing things. I hope I didn't come off harsh/brash as well.

Also, i don't think Eakin was given a match. He was given a misconduct, which is an automatic from getting the major.

Also, looking at the TOI and game stream play by play. I didn't see anything stating he returned on ice after the 10 min misconduct.

VGK 9:13 Cody Eakin (Cross-Checking - 5 min) drawn by Joe Pavelski served by Ryan Reaves
VGK 9:13 Cody Eakin (Game Misconduct - 10 min) drawn by Joe Pavelski

yeah that's what I had... a major+misconduct. no match, which I assume would have been called if a deliberate attempt to injure was established. and if i have it right, meant that he could have played late in the OT period. But I also don't think Gallant put him out there after he was eligible.

"drawn by Joe Pavelski"...sounds like he goaded eakin into the penalty. weird why they settled on that standard of wording.

 

[#1Freak]

should read more like "victim" lol

between last night and the his scoring jaw, i fell sorry for the guy and hope he bounces back soon, but like you, doubt that will be anytime during the next series

 

[uclaktsai]

Who knew an epic round 1 would get this thread to page 3

Just a few random thoughts on the series:

* Stone-Stastny-Pacioretty was the best line among both teams.
* Meier is a beast. Hertl is beastlier. Stone is super beast.
* Sharks are nothing without Pickles.
* EK65 continues to prove he is every bit as good as people say he is
* PDB has some balls starting Jones after Game 4.
* Donskoi was out for Game 7 (injury or healthy scratch?) and Radil only played 2.5 minutes. Sharks need to figure out this 4th line if they want to win it all.
* Hope Pavs is ok. This being a Game 7, despite the injury, I didn't think the cross-check warranted a penalty. It wasn't outside the scope of everything else the refs were allowing; at worst, a double minor.
* Game 7s are the best.

 

[NorCalAthlete]

does anyone else here get annoyed with how much the sharks puck handle and pass a million times before shooting? get the damn shot on goal and make a play. every freakin time its pass, pass, pass, pass, skate around, pass, bobble puck, take a off balanced shitty shot before they get the puck. PUT IT ON GOAL FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

Yeah. I was yelling LIGHT THAT FUCKER UP. Fleury or however you spell his name was not well coordinated and kept falling on his ass / slipping after 1-2 shots every time. Light it up enough and he's gonna be unable to block.

 

[Archimedes]

There's no arguing that call. It was a cross check and, because there was a serious injury, it's a major. That's the rule. U.S.A. Hockey it's automatic; NHL it's 'severity of the contact' - nothing about head contact. There is no way the refs could call a minor penalty on that play with a guy knocked out and bleeding on the ice. It's either no penalty or a major when you have an injury. This is nothing new, it happens every year. What doesn't happen are teams coughing up four goals on a five minute major power play. Has that ever happened before?

Vegas lost the game because a) they took a stupid penalty, b) Fluery whiffed on the first goal, should have saved that one and a score that quick got the Sharks energized, c) they gave up another three goals in less than five minutes to a power play that was struggling, d) they gave up a goal in overtime. And they lost the series because they couldn't close the Sharks out in Game 5 or Game 6.

And before the Knights fans blame the refs, they should blame Cody Eakin for taking an incredibly selfish penalty with 10 minutes left in a game that was all but over, and Fluery for becoming a sieve during the power play. If Eakin doesn't lose his temper over losing a draw, the Knights are still playing. Players are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Eakin doesn't cross check Pavelski, Pavelski doesn't suffer a serious injury.

 

[#1Freak]

you are wrong on the call 100%, per the NHL today just fyi......

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

yep, Freak is correct. Apparently they apologized to the Vegas GM for making the major penalty call.

If that is the truth...hey man, it sucks that Vegas went down like that. As a Raider fan, I know that feel (it was a f***ing fumble!). I feel that Vegas fans will most likely be sore about that.

 

[Archimedes]

you are wrong on the call 100%, per the NHL today just fyi......

I'm not, read the actual rule. He was obviously guilty of a cross check. Calling a major is dependent upon the 'severity of the contact', at the discretion of the ref. The ref concluded that, due to the significant injury, the contact was severe.

And the NHL hasn't made any public statements on it, only some comments from George McPhee, so who knows what they actually said to him. Either way, it's a call at the referees discretion.

This call is no different than a guy getting a double minor high sticking call. You're responsible for your stick, even if you didn't intend to cause the injury. Eakin's cross checking actions led directly to Pavelski being put in a dangerous off balance situation which led to him being severely injured. It was a dirty play that got a guy knocked fucking out. Eakin got what he deserved. The fact that Vegas totally fell apart after that is just gravy.

The NHL could make this all easier by taking this out of the hands of the referees and going back to the USA hockey rule. Penalty causes significant injury, major and a game. Then there won't be any whining.

 

[#1Freak]

yep, Freak is correct. Apparently they apologized to the Vegas GM for making the major penalty call.

If that is the truth...hey man, it sucks that Vegas went down like that. As a Raider fan, I know that feel (it was a f***ing fumble!). I feel that Vegas fans will most likely be sore about that.

yes still does not excuse our falling apart, but somehow it does make me feel better

 

[Archimedes]

I don't know if any of you actually play hockey, but it doesn't take violent contact to cause a severe injury. You don't have to hit someone in the head or even strike them hard to cause a serious injury. There are many ways to illegally cause serious injury to an opponent that appear relatively benign in contact terms but cause dangerous situations. This was one of them. Happens all the time during the season and guys are given major/game misconducts for them. Some of the worst injuries I've ever seen in hockey have come on relatively little contact, just dirty plays that put a player in a really vulnerable position.

This was a dirty, stupid, selfish play. Eakin lost the draw, puck was gone, Pavs was prone and he cross checked him across the chest.

BTW, I don't think either one of these teams have a realistic chance at the Cup, so it really doesn't matter all that much in the end.

 

[#1Freak]

you are entitled you your opinion, it is just that the nhl and pretty much universally what i have heard from hockey podcasts and ex nhl players that a crosscheck like that in the playoff is the norm and MAYBE deserved a 2 min, but not a 5. no worries, I will enjoy the rest of the playoffs, and the summer. I look forward to next season.

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

maybe the Sharks can use this news as a belittling of their efforts to propel them further. I mean, regardless of the circumstances, what they accomplished was nothing short of remarkable. Perhaps the Vegas owner wanted to console his team by reporting this news.

 

[*Tina*]

maybe the Sharks can use this news as a belittling of their efforts to propel them further. I mean, regardless of the circumstances, what they accomplished was nothing short of remarkable. Perhaps the Vegas owner wanted to console his team by reporting this news.

Thats what I took it as.

I seriously doubt they actually called them. I think the refs not being in round 2 was all they were getting in the way of any possible apology.

 

[#1Freak]

maybe the Sharks can use this news as a belittling of their efforts to propel them further. I mean, regardless of the circumstances, what they accomplished was nothing short of remarkable. Perhaps the Vegas owner wanted to console his team by reporting this news.

I certainly hope they don't take it that way. they capitalized on a situation (right or wrong), good on them

 

[#1Freak]

I also enjoyed that it again proved that a team is more then just stats and numbers. Heart and willingness to win can still be HUGE factors