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pge liable for camp fire?

afm199 said:
Did you father in law have shake shingles? They are notorious for spreading fires.
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Who dafuq has shake shingles anymore??
Weren't they banned back in the 80's??
No way building code allows them anywhere.
 
gixxerjeff said:
Who dafuq has shake shingles anymore??
Weren't they banned back in the 80's??
No way building code allows them anywhere.
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They last almost forever. There are still many shake roofs out there. None of the codes require them to be replaced.
 
Serious question:

What are the benefits to taking our power system public?

I hear the argument "Do you REALLY want the gov't controlling it?" a lot but I'm not really informed enough to answer.
 
Nucking Futs said:
Serious question:

What are the benefits to taking our power system public?

I hear the argument "Do you REALLY want the gov't controlling it?" a lot but I'm not really informed enough to answer.
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Dumb question, how would that work? Pool resources and buy/install the infrastructure?
 
Nucking Futs said:
Serious question:

What are the benefits to taking our power system public?

I hear the argument "Do you REALLY want the gov't controlling it?" a lot but I'm not really informed enough to answer.
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Power can be (and is) private in many cases in Norcal; Solar with battery banks. On demand power (grid) would be supplementary. As an avid capitalist, I do see the logic in having grid power owned/ managed by one large entity. That being said, whole PG&E sucks, the state regulators were remiss in making sure PG&E was keeping their end of the bargain. This is another Ghost Ship, only in the middle of the forrest.

I like the idea of the state managing and leasing to cities/ counties who can then would be mandated to award to private entities. Entity size would be limited so mass consolidation (ALA PG&E) would be prohibited. Solar would be promoted and promulgated heavily for commercial (especially commercial) and residential with tax credits/ net metering across commonly owned properties and co-op net metering.

Co-op net metering is an interesting concept; the co-op buys bulk grid power and distributes among its members as well as maintains alternative energy requirements (to remain in the co-op). Sort of like an HOA for power...but man, HOA's do suck too...
 
Holeshot said:
Power can be (and is) private in many cases in Norcal; Solar with battery banks. On demand power (grid) would be supplementary. As an avid capitalist, I do see the logic in having grid power owned/ managed by one large entity. That being said, whole PG&E sucks, the state regulators were remiss in making sure PG&E was keeping their end of the bargain. This is another Ghost Ship, only in the middle of the forrest.

I like the idea of the state managing and leasing to cities/ counties who can then would be mandated to award to private entities. Entity size would be limited so mass consolidation (ALA PG&E) would be prohibited. Solar would be promoted and promulgated heavily for commercial (especially commercial) and residential with tax credits/ net metering across commonly owned properties and co-op net metering.

Co-op net metering is an interesting concept; the co-op buys bulk grid power and distributes among its members as well as maintains alternative energy requirements (to remain in the co-op). Sort of like an HOA for power...but man, HOA's do suck too...
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There's obviously no perfect solution, but at this point I think it's been proven that an entity with accountability to shareholders above public safety is not even theoretically a good solution.

In theory it's bad, and in practice it's worse.
 
CoorsLight said:
There's obviously no perfect solution, but at this point I think it's been proven that an entity with accountability to shareholders above public safety is not even theoretically a good solution.

In theory it's bad, and in practice it's worse.
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Word.
 
Nucking Futs said:
Serious question:

What are the benefits to taking our power system public?

I hear the argument "Do you REALLY want the gov't controlling it?" a lot but I'm not really informed enough to answer.
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well first off there wouldnt be any $8.1 million salaries and the utility couldnt get sued. There would be no insider trading which pge is being sued over right now.

When doing highway work Caltrans could bury hanging lines and gas lines within the state right of way without enriching pge.

Edit: Today i received the Directors Order for $24 million of taxpayer funded repairs in the Camp Fire zone. $24 million that pge will never repay taxpayers
 
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CoorsLight said:
There's obviously no perfect solution, but at this point I think it's been proven that an entity with accountability to shareholders above public safety is not even theoretically a good solution.

In theory it's bad, and in practice it's worse.
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And a government entity is just as bad, if not worse. I'd say the consistent theme on both of them in these cases are "BIG". Localized...keep things small and manageable. That's the issue I see.
 
The county Public Utility Districts and Rural Co-Ops up north in Washington are really good.
 
Sounds like a good model to try here...
 
Holeshot said:
And a government entity is just as bad, if not worse. I'd say the consistent theme on both of them in these cases are "BIG". Localized...keep things small and manageable. That's the issue I see.
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Agreed, like I said earlier in the thread, I got fantastic prices and outstanding service from Riverside water/sewer/electric.
 
Mike95060 said:
I know a SMUD electrical engineer who digs working there. They are the ones pushing solar hard and hes really happy about being part of that last, I talked to him.
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I enjoyed working on SMUD’s relicensing of their Upper American River Project back in the early 2000. Their Hydro group was awesome. When I lived in Sacramento they were a good and very proactive energy provider.
 
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