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pge liable for camp fire?

afm199 said:
Paradise was the worst of all the California towns that I have seen, in terms of forest inside the city limits, long forested stretches in the town, heavy forest around most homes, and lots of brush. It was a disaster waiting to happen. Check out Google maps before they update it to show the burn. Most of the town is heavily forested.

That's the kind of town I would never live in, and am always surprised that not everyone agrees with me. Go figure.
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Back in Sept I took an detour around a fire just north of Redding, along HW 299 & 89.
There were several communities on 299 that were woven in amongst tall trees. Looked sketchy now that such places are seen as having this risk exposure.
 
Air quality looks about the same as yesterday, unless you're in the south portion of the Bay Area, where things are getting better.
 
Parenthetically, the new determinant on homes in the forest is going to be insurance. It's going to become ( has already) extremely expensive or non existent in the vulnerable areas.
 
That's like the fifth time you've used the word parenthetically in the last week or so.

Someone get you a word-of-the-day calendar recently? :laughing
 
afm199 said:
Parenthetically, the new determinant on homes in the forest is going to be insurance. It's going to become ( has already) extremely expensive or non existent in the vulnerable areas.
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Does that mean that insurance for homes in forests is going to go the way of earthquake insurance where it will be the state offering it and underwritten by the taxpayers?
 
Climber said:
Does that mean that insurance for homes in forests is going to go the way of earthquake insurance where it will be the state offering it and underwritten by the taxpayers?
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I doubt it. Earthquake insurance is used or needed for tens of millions of homes, but the footprint of forest fire vulnerable homes is much smaller. Most people in Ca live in urban areas.

Ooops just looked up the stats. Ca has about eight million single family dwellings, of which 1.7 million are particularly vulnerable to wildfire. Much more than I thought.
 
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i just watched the raking video again

rolmao,

yo we rake forests in finland,

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/11/19/18102613/finland-trump-raking-woods

After President Donald Trump suggested Finland has few wildfires because the nation spends a lot of time “raking and cleaning” forest floors, many were confused. Not least of all the Finns themselves — or the Californians Trump was visiting, whose state has been devastated by fires that have killed at least 76 and burned hundreds of thousands of acres in the past two weeks.
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afm199 said:
I doubt it. Earthquake insurance is used or needed for tens of millions of homes, but the footprint of forest fire vulnerable homes is much smaller. Most people in Ca live in urban areas.

Ooops just looked up the stats. Ca has about eight million single family dwellings, of which 1.7 million are particularly vulnerable to wildfire. Much more than I thought.
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Let me make you feel REAL comfortable: the state mandated fire sprinklers in all new homes. AS if fire sprinklers would do anything to quell the inferno catching your roof on fire and still, burning the house to the ground...when the water pressure drops from ALL other houses roofs being on fire and having no water pressure.

On more thing: most homes in CA have gone to landscaping w/out the use of water/ low water use...meaning, green foliage is absent. Green is safety from fire, in theory. Outdoor sprinklers are better protection than interior sprinklers. I'm not surprised the legislature got it so wrong...
 
Holeshot said:
Let me make you feel REAL comfortable: the state mandated fire sprinklers in all new homes. AS if fire sprinklers would do anything to quell the inferno catching your roof on fire and still, burning the house to the ground...when the water pressure drops from ALL other houses roofs being on fire and having no water pressure.

On more thing: most homes in CA have gone to landscaping w/out the use of water/ low water use...meaning, green foliage is absent. Green is safety from fire, in theory. Outdoor sprinklers are better protection than interior sprinklers. I'm not surprised the legislature got it so wrong...
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I don't think the sprinklers are for forest fires.
 
Holeshot said:
Let me make you feel REAL comfortable: the state mandated fire sprinklers in all new homes. AS if fire sprinklers would do anything to quell the inferno catching your roof on fire and still, burning the house to the ground...when the water pressure drops from ALL other houses roofs being on fire and having no water pressure.

On more thing: most homes in CA have gone to landscaping w/out the use of water/ low water use...meaning, green foliage is absent. Green is safety from fire, in theory. Outdoor sprinklers are better protection than interior sprinklers. I'm not surprised the legislature got it so wrong...
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I have a great story on that one. Back in the early seventies I did some water development in Big Sur, including a water tank that fed two homes, and pump for it. It was sized for daily needs. Not for wildfire protection, which would have been twenty times the size.

One of the owners put on rooftop sprinklers, turned them on, and left her home. Of course the tank drained dry, and the other home burned to the ground as it had no water at all.
 
afm199 said:
I have a great story on that one. Back in the early seventies I did some water development in Big Sur, including a water tank that fed two homes, and pump for it. It was sized for daily needs. Not for wildfire protection, which would have been twenty times the size.

One of the owners put on rooftop sprinklers, turned them on, and left her home. Of course the tank drained dry, and the other home burned to the ground as it had no water at all.
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Did it save her home?
 
Holeshot said:
Let me make you feel REAL comfortable: the state mandated fire sprinklers in all new homes. AS if fire sprinklers would do anything to quell the inferno catching your roof on fire and still, burning the house to the ground...when the water pressure drops from ALL other houses roofs being on fire and having no water pressure.

On more thing: most homes in CA have gone to landscaping w/out the use of water/ low water use...meaning, green foliage is absent. Green is safety from fire, in theory. Outdoor sprinklers are better protection than interior sprinklers. I'm not surprised the legislature got it so wrong...
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WTF Berto? Did you think this through before you hit submit reply? Have you had your coffee yet?


Sprinklers were not mandated for forest fires. They are for when someone falls asleep while smoking and their house catches. However, these sprinklers could definitely stop the single house fire from spreading to nearby homes.

Regarding landscaping. Most new landscaping is drought tolerant. This means stuff like rock gardens and succulents, not dry trees and dead tall grass. Less water for landscaping means more water for firefighters. And drought tolerant landscaping is less likely to burn than your yard full of lovely trees and shrubs.


I can't tell if you are joking or high.
 
Brokenlink said:
. Less water for landscaping means more water for firefighters. And drought tolerant landscaping is less likely to burn than your yard full of lovely trees and shrubs.


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There's no water shortage for fire fighting that I am aware of. WUI fires aren't typically fought with water, it's used to control spread and hot spots. You can't put out forest fires with water, there's no way to deliver that much. You surround them with lines the fire can't cross and they burn out. That's my experience anyway.
 
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