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Rider Longevity

Best feedback that ever existed is one from your environment.... So another option besides (coaching and feedback from other people) is listen to your environmental feedback (road/motorcycle/body) .. At the end of the day, there's no coach in your ear when you're out there.. you're going to have to get good at willfully listening to your body and your environment at some point. You can improve anytime you're willing to admit you're not doing something right/optimally. Try being a harsh critic of yourself ..

It's extraordinarily rare for a top performer in any endeavor to not use any sort of external coaching or feedback. In general, the people who think they won't benefit from it overestimate themselves.
 
Best feedback that ever existed is one from your environment.... So another option besides (coaching and feedback from other people) is listen to your environmental feedback (road/motorcycle/body) .. At the end of the day, there's no coach in your ear when you're out there.. you're going to have to get good at willfully listening to your body and your environment at some point. You can improve anytime you're willing to admit you're not doing something right/optimally. Try being a harsh critic of yourself ..

Confirmation bias is a bitch.
 
Unirr, I'm begging you just to make one substantial post...just one time...that you don't edit. Just so we can see you do it. For the love of FSM, just proofread your post before you post it. :laughing
 
I would bet money that the majority of motorcycle related deaths are closely associated with young men. So, one might say that young male riders do not have the guidance of a well developed sense of risk. It's been shown scientifically that the ability (or skill) to assess risk and thereby temper one's actions, does not fully develop in males until the mid to very late 20's. Simple fact. Thus, they will ride accordingly and as a result, have more accidents and deaths.

Of course, it's not that simple, but I think that's one big factor. I didn't start riding until after I turned 30 and I feel pretty certain that if I'd gotten a motorcycle when I first wanted one (high school), there's a pretty good chance I wouldn't be here now.
 
It is interesting how filters of life choices work for safety and longevity.

Where one is in a ridden evironment, one has gathered enough skill and knowledge to avoid hazards, yet....

Where one is in the written environment, the outcome of the journey is completely different.
 
Wisdom

Originally posted by BudBandit
Part of being a really good rider is to make allowances for likely and even not so likely events that could have a significant impact. With greater experience, you are able to more accurately create probability maps of the stupid things that can happen and you can plot a course to avoid the more common areas of exposure.

Originally posted by RSRider
I would say listen to the budbandit, as he is the guru of all that is nonfucktardedness. Aside form that, I would tell you this:

5. Everyone is out to kill you, ride accordingly. (as above, people are idiots behind the wheel, even more so now that there are cellphones, ipods, tv’s and other distractions inside the cab of a vehicle today. It’s a wonder we even make it from point A to point B.)
6. Concentrate (whenever I catch myself daydreaming while riding, I refocus immediately. They say that riding a motorcycle requires the same concentration level as flying a plane, without the autopilot.)

Originally posted by budman
Being on the street really demands a margin for error.

Not allowing yourself one is just asking for an increased chance of an accident and the street is so damn unforgiving. Everyone has to judge what the margin for error is and what it is taking account of.. as in gravel, a bicyclist, a cage on the wrong side of the DY or whatever. The more miles you pile on the more times you find yourself using that margin and perhaps it should/will increase overtime.

Motorcycling is risky.. and minimizing the danger is up to each of us to apply to ourselves.

Originally posted by silversvs; First things that come to mind:

Simple fixes; high visibility gear, modulated headlight, lane position.

Mandatory fix: ride defensively and ANTICIPATE that every vehicle approaching you will turn left in front of you, every vehicle at every cross street or driveway will pull out in front of you, every vehicle parked on the side of the road will initiate a u-turn in front of you, every vehicle in front of or beside you will turn left into you, and every vehicle behind you doesn't see you and will rear end you if you slow or stop.

Once you establish that mindset, you will start planning your escape routes for all of the above scenarios for every vehicle you see on the roadway.

Once you develop the habit of having this internal dialogue of perceiving the threat, developing a reaction plan, then being ready for the threat to occur, it will become second nature.

Once that is ingrained in your thought process it becomes a subconscious process that occurs on every ride at all times. When that kicks in, you will find that you are sooooo much more alert to everything around you as you ride, you're never surprised by other drivers, you flow more fluidly with traffic, and your "oh shit" moments are far and few between.

It takes a lot of miles to develop this mindset and a lot of mental rehearsals to get it ingrained in your thought process. But once you do, you will be a much safer and much more competent rider.
 
We can only go by the readers who reply. If people don't reply, we can't know if they agreed, didn't read it, didn't care, or what. In your honest opinion, do you feel more people understand what you mean than don't?

Most of the time I don't think your intended message is controversial. It does seem that a lot of your posts generate some controversy.

Of course they generate "controversy"... The posters that don't know what I'm talkin about... Haven't lived my life.
Haven't experienced, what I have.
 
I see Unirr removed his post lecturing Flying Hun on how to achieve "Rider Longevity."

That was smart considering the longevity Flying Hun has achieved, riding in numerous countries no less, and the lack of longevity of the one trying to give the lecture.

7 years on a moto in no a sign of "longevity."

It is the sign of someone who should do more listening and less lecturing on the subject.
 
Assume everyone is out there to kill me.
Know when it's appropriate to ride like an idiot.
Track time has slowed me down on fun rides.
Got hit last year while splitting, so I do so much more cautiously than before.
I don't ride with most other riders.
Don't trust anyone.
Assume everyone is out to kill me.
Smart lane positioning, so riding the center line and making my presence known to drivers.

6 years of riding now. Only have been hit while splitting at 15ish mph.
 
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This is an odd thread.
A wealth of information and an unceremonious gang-bang simultaneously.
It's a good thing work is a little slow today.
Interesting read.
 
Wisdom

Originally posted by BudBandit
Part of being a really good rider is to make allowances for likely and even not so likely events that could have a significant impact. With greater experience, you are able to more accurately create probability maps of the stupid things that can happen and you can plot a course to avoid the more common areas of exposure.

Originally posted by RSRider
I would say listen to the budbandit, as he is the guru of all that is nonfucktardedness. Aside form that, I would tell you this:

5. Everyone is out to kill you, ride accordingly. (as above, people are idiots behind the wheel, even more so now that there are cellphones, ipods, tv’s and other distractions inside the cab of a vehicle today. It’s a wonder we even make it from point A to point B.)
6. Concentrate (whenever I catch myself daydreaming while riding, I refocus immediately. They say that riding a motorcycle requires the same concentration level as flying a plane, without the autopilot.)

Originally posted by budman
Being on the street really demands a margin for error.

Not allowing yourself one is just asking for an increased chance of an accident and the street is so damn unforgiving. Everyone has to judge what the margin for error is and what it is taking account of.. as in gravel, a bicyclist, a cage on the wrong side of the DY or whatever. The more miles you pile on the more times you find yourself using that margin and perhaps it should/will increase overtime.

Motorcycling is risky.. and minimizing the danger is up to each of us to apply to ourselves.

Originally posted by silversvs; First things that come to mind:

Simple fixes; high visibility gear, modulated headlight, lane position.

Mandatory fix: ride defensively and ANTICIPATE that every vehicle approaching you will turn left in front of you, every vehicle at every cross street or driveway will pull out in front of you, every vehicle parked on the side of the road will initiate a u-turn in front of you, every vehicle in front of or beside you will turn left into you, and every vehicle behind you doesn't see you and will rear end you if you slow or stop.

Once you establish that mindset, you will start planning your escape routes for all of the above scenarios for every vehicle you see on the roadway.

Once you develop the habit of having this internal dialogue of perceiving the threat, developing a reaction plan, then being ready for the threat to occur, it will become second nature.

Once that is ingrained in your thought process it becomes a subconscious process that occurs on every ride at all times. When that kicks in, you will find that you are sooooo much more alert to everything around you as you ride, you're never surprised by other drivers, you flow more fluidly with traffic, and your "oh shit" moments are far and few between.

It takes a lot of miles to develop this mindset and a lot of mental rehearsals to get it ingrained in your thought process. But once you do, you will be a much safer and much more competent rider.


Thank you for that, Tux :hail

(needs more S M though ;) )
 
Of course they generate "controversy"... The posters that don't know what I'm talkin about... Haven't lived my life.
Haven't experienced, what I have.

Are you unwilling or unable to share techniques to help riders with less riding time than you have?
 
^^^ That question is so simplistic, ignoring how different riders (and their background) receive instruction).

And... my experiences were in a real world.. Not a school put on in a setting.

Bottom line...Ya had to be there.

And it has spanned 60 years (and the season changes and altitude changes from sea level -to - Colorado peaks, And Alaska to California and the othe Western USA States). ... It doesn't happen in a short time.
 
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^^^ That question is so simplistic, ignoring how different riders (and their background) receive instruction).

And... my experiences were in a real world.. Not a school put on in a setting.

Bottom line...Ya had to be there.

And it has spanned 60 years... It doesn't happen in a short time.

So you can't.

And it's no more simplistic than the comments you leave.
 
I will share what I told both my Sons who commute on bikes…
Ride like you are INVISIBLE……cuz you are…
 
So you can't.

And it's no more simplistic than the comments you leave.

It's simply not hard to describe what sightline mantra you go by, when you brake, whether you late apex, whether you use trail braking on the street, which brakes you use and when, what throttle you use through corners and after apexing, your urban traffic strategy, your back road strategy, things to look for etc.

Luckily this thread has thus far more good info in it than chaff.
 
I will share what I told both my Sons who commute on bikes…
Ride like you are INVISIBLE……cuz you are…

Was waiting for someone to say that..
The motto I ride with is slightly different..
"Ride like you're invisible, but don't forget you're not invisible."
You will be ready for almost any situation.
 
Was waiting for someone to say that..
The motto I ride with is slightly different..
"Ride like you're invisible, but don't forget you're not invisible."
You will be ready for almost any situation.

To add to that, don't trust motorists' eyes even if they're looking RIGHT AT YOU.

Maybe especially if they're looking right at you.

Trust what the car and wheels are doing, are the moving? Are they turning?

I've had drivers look directly at me and pull into my path.

Don't trust their turn signals either.
 
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