Ruff Ryders huh? wow....

[NoGall]

spddrcr, he might have been a lurker since the beginning of BARF. Either way, how long you have been on this forum has nothing to do with a discussion on right vs. wrong. There are plenty of threads discussing riders crashing on 9, this one just happens to be about stunters blocking the freeway. Equal opportunity.

 

[NoGall]

What's amaxing is that three people jumped on my response right off the bat with their heads jammed so far up their asses that their cookie-cutter kneejerk reaction must have nearly concussed them.

Thanks, you just reminded me that I have something better to do... like unjamming my head from my ass

 

[Eisernkreuz]

OK, if I woke up one morning and said, "I'm gonna go bin it and if I hold up traffic for hours, fuck 'em" and then proceeded to ride 9, bin it, and hold up traffic for hours, then you could equate it with a group of Ruff Ryders waking up and going, "I'm gonna go stuntin' and if I hold up traffic for hours, fuck 'em!"

But no, most mornings I wake up and go, "Ok, I'm going to have a safe, sane ride. I'm going to ride my pace, watch for stuff on the road, watch for motorists in need, watch for cops, and be back safely before lunch." Nowhere does my intent to go riding put countless hundreds of people in a difficult situation. Nowhere does my intent endanger someone's life.

And if my choice to go riding DOES put someone in a difficult situation, it was innocent and not out of my own selfishness. It's the same as if I bought the last loaf of bread at 7pm, and everyone who came into the store after 7pm couldn't get any bread.

 

[NoGall]

Just stating the facts. I'm calling it like I see it, from my eclectic-yet-grounded-in-reality perspective.

The most apropo analogy I can think of for what I am observing in this thread would be a roomfull of Catholic Priests screaming about the obscenity of gay marriage while alter boys are sucking them all off under the table.

And when I see a day BARF can set what I consider a reasonable bar for civil discourse of any fashion I'm sure that will be the same day I somehow shit a baby grand piano.

You can lead the way though.

 

[Z3n]

OK, if I woke up one morning and said, "I'm gonna go bin it and if I hold up traffic for hours, fuck 'em" and then proceeded to ride 9, bin it, and hold up traffic for hours, then you could equate it with a group of Ruff Ryders waking up and going, "I'm gonna go stuntin' and if I hold up traffic for hours, fuck 'em!"

But no, most mornings I wake up and go, "Ok, I'm going to have a safe, sane ride. I'm going to ride my pace, watch for stuff on the road, watch for motorists in need, watch for cops, and be back safely before lunch." Nowhere does my intent to go riding put countless hundreds of people in a difficult situation. Nowhere does my intent endanger someone's life.

And if my choice to go riding DOES put someone in a difficult situation, it was innocent and not out of my own selfishness. It's the same as if I bought the last loaf of bread at 7pm, and everyone who came into the store after 7pm couldn't get any bread.

Well said. I'll have to buy you/hand you a happy beverage at the OFG party.

Moike, I think the thing that people are getting all fucking hung up about is that when it comes down to it, there's a couple of bad apples in every group. I think that most people share the attitude of Eisernkreuz. They want to go out, have a little fun, and come home alive. I know i certainly enjoy riding on a daily basis to stay in practice for the track, because it's fucking impossible to sanely replicate track speeds on the street. I'm friends with some of the Kamakazi crew, and they're cool guys and all, but i don't ride with them simply because i don't condone what they do. I'll drag a knee on the street when i feel it's safe, i'll exceed the speed limit while taking care to stay within my limits. If something happens (deer, car in my lane, blah blah blah), then i'm typically riding in such a way that i can get the fuck out of their way.

So what all this is about is:

There's some bad apples in every group. On the list of "mortal motorcycling sins" when someone bins it on teh n9nes, chances are they're not coming back anytime soon. These RR people go out and pull this shit...whenever? Who knows how many accidents/fender benders were caused by them stopping for no fucking reason on the middle of the freeway? Who knows how much time they added to hundreds, if not thousands of people's commutes on that day? Last time i checked, someone binning it on skyline (and yes, i directed traffic at an accident up there recently) delayed the day of maybe 100 people? We had perhaps 30 people from each direction over the course of the 30 minutes between when i got on teh scene (one of the first) and when the paramedics got there and for some reason the police closed the road. I had to go around, big deal. Furthermore, there's a huge difference between an accident and intentionally going out there to hold up traffic. Even the KK still go out there trying to make it home at the end of the day.

When it comes down to it, i love motorcycles. I love engines, i love sidecars, i love watching someone with skill ride a motorcycle, no matter how you do it, stunter, trials rider, apex strafer, endo god, whatever. But i also appreciate it when you don't act like an asshat while you're doing it. I do my best to be respectful to the other people i SHARE the road with, and i don't think it'd hurt the image of the stunters, apex strafers, and other riders to do the same.

 

[Eisernkreuz]

Well said. I'll have to buy you/hand you a happy beverage at the OFG party.

I'll make this easy on you; just make sure whatever you hand me was brewed according to Reinheitsgebot

 

[swerv512]

I'll make this easy on you; just make sure whatever you hand me was brewed according to Reinheitsgebot

actually, there is no beer still made according to the true law of the land created in 1516 (yeast was not added until the 1800's). so i guess an augustiner is as close as you'll get. PROST!

 

[Z3n]

I'll make this easy on you; just make sure whatever you hand me was brewed according to Reinheitsgebot

You're getting whatever's closest at hand. Don't be picky, it's probably someone else's anyways

 

[spddrcr]

i never meant it as a whos been here longer contest, what i was saying is that ive been here since 2002 and over the years the stuntriders have constanly been bashed by other groups, looking at glenizen info it says he has been here since last year, if hes been here just as long great but going from his info hes seen 1 year of these threads compared to someone whos seen 4+ years of these threads. as far as a personal attack it was not meant nor can i see how it can be inturpited that way.

i believe ive been very civil in this thread and have reread everything ive posted before posting it just so i wouldnt come across like i was personally attacking people, which i believe i havent.

 

[Z3n]

i never meant it as a whos been here longer contest, what i was saying is that ive been here since 2002 and over the years the stuntriders have constanly been bashed by other groups, looking at glenizen info it says he has been here since last year, if hes been here just as long great but going from his info hes seen 1 year of these threads compared to someone whos seen 4+ years of these threads. as far as a personal attack it was not meant nor can i see how it can be inturpited that way.

i believe ive been very civil in this thread and have reread everything ive posted before posting it just so i wouldnt come across like i was personally attacking people, which i believe i havent.

I think the issue is that most of us see the difference between someone accidentally wadding and intentionally stopping traffic on a 4 lane freeway.

 

[Eisernkreuz]

actually, there is no beer still made according to the true law of the land created in 1516 (yeast was not added until the 1800's). so i guess an augustiner is as close as you'll get. PROST!

OK dude, just to make you happy, Reinheitsgebot + yeast

 

[gts_rider]

...And when I see a day BARF can set what I consider a reasonable bar for civil discourse of any fashion I'm sure that will be the same day I somehow shit a baby grand piano.

Not sure what was meant by you talking about 'BARF' setting the bar for civil discourse, especially after your expletive peppered rant (not that there's anything wrong with that...).

As far as I can tell, this *is* a civil discourse. Everyone is expressing their opinions and nobody is breaking out the gats.

For what it's worth, back about 15-20 years ago I thought it would be a fun idea to bring the whole freeway to a stop for a couple minutes late one Friday or Saturday night. I wasn't into the whole stunt scene, I just wanted to do a 2 or 3 mile highspeed run on an empty freeway.

Probably a good thing I didn't have enough of a 'crew' that I could talk into the wacky idea, so I never actually did it.

Anyways, nearing 41 years old, and now I think the idea was lame. Probably a good thing I didn't actually do it, but at the same time I can see why a large group of mostly 20 something riders would actually go for it.

Like many said, the RR delio was probably no big deal in the end. *Except*, for it bringing the heat down on a bunch of mostly innocent bike-nighters a couple days later...

I'm not ranting against stunters. The simple fact is they brought down extra heat we don't need by their premeditated unlawful act.


P.S.

To Moike,

I reposted pics of your vintage side-car kneeler to another board a week or two back. I think all that saw it agreed, that rig is too cool, and just rules!

 

[xlcr]

Here's the link to the local tv news report complete with cager phone-cam videos from the scene. I could have sworn I heard "200 bikers" twice in the the 911 or other audio, yet when switched to the live on the scene reporter it was suddenly "bikers in packs of 500". I figure the original estimate of 200 was an exaggeration in the first place. Oh well, what do I know, I don't roll with dat crew...

http://video.knbc.com/player/?id=129565

Well, the CHP has been found to fudge their numbers a bit.

http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/280619.html

 

[MellowYellow]

What's amaxing is that three people jumped on my response right off the bat with their heads jammed so far up their asses that their cookie-cutter kneejerk reaction must have nearly concussed them.

Let's see that amaxing quote it again...



Yes, I'm stating plain as day... some of you public road kneedraggers step out the door on that weekend morning with the intention of going big or going home in a bag... even if you don't want to grow up and admit it.

It's amaxing individuals can throw those rocks from inside their glass houses.

I see you liked the drunk typo

 

[Var]

by gts riderAnyways, nearing 41 years old, and now I think the idea was lame. Probably a good thing I didn't actually do it, but at the same time I can see why a large group of mostly 20 something riders would actually go for it.

I can see what you're saying. They go into a store, buy a 180mph machine, then they're like. Ummm...sooo.. where the fuck can we ride these things?

not to excuse what they're doing, but i personally wouldn't mind waiting in traffic for a bit for these guys. Better than waiting for some old geezer who couldn't drive and caused an accident.

 

[!xobile]

heres a funny comment i found from the news link vid:


david miller (July 18, 2007 06:19 AM)
Hey drop me a line,everytime one of you morons wrecks it makes me money ,so keep it up!..besides that what a better way to rid the world of a few more of you genetic retards,remember keep it up and I buy salvage.

 

[V4]

I wonder how much bravado everyone would have or if they would say the same thing if an outlaw biker gang rode in a group of 500, blocked & delayed traffic on public roads....

:|

 

[glenizen]

*

 

[Eisernkreuz]

I wonder how much bravado everyone would have or if they would say the same thing if an outlaw biker gang rode in a group of 500, blocked & delayed traffic on public roads....

:|

My bravado would be directly proportional to the amount of lead in my magazine. It could be measured on a scale of 0 to 16

Seriously though, if I'm riding alone, and I stop somewhere, and some stunna strikes up a conversation about bikes and proceeds to brag about how they were riding 17 deep, blocking three lanes on 85 for 9 miles, I'll tell him that while stunting is cool and takes madd skills, it's probably cooler if they picked less travelled places to do that stuff. He's a person, I'm a person, it doesn't require bravado.

You'd have to be stupid to jump at a group of 8-9 people, start cussing, waving arms, and making threats But that doesn't mean the subject is untouchable. Not all of us here on Barf are asocial pussies

 

[glenizen]

...alter boys are sucking them all off under the table.

And when I see a day BARF can set what I consider a reasonable bar for civil discourse of any fashion I'm sure that will be the same day I somehow shit...

Yes, I can see where you set the bar. My, how very high it is. Ass level.

You can't engage in actual discourse, so you just tell everyone else that they have their heads up there asses. Nice.