SCS rider hit by car--caught on video tape

[slydrite]

I seriously will put $$$ down defending the fact that guy used the E brake.

the only thing I want you to put down $$ is the fact that I can spin your car without using the ebrake AND I'M SERIOUS

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My living is dodging cars, I have seen enough braking and swerving to know what I am talking about along with owning 2 Civics.
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well I can certainly see how that would qualify you as a driving expert and a vehicle dynamics expert.........

I on the other hand have spent the last ten + years TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO SLIDE CARS AROUND AND CONTROL SLIDES.......ever notice my user id?!?!?!?!

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to say otherwise is beyond me. [/B][/QUOTE]

I must argee with you 100% on that point

 

[JoneZ]

ah relax, everyone take a chill pill, I could spin my car without ebrake, I'm not saying that. I said what I did, everyone got hiffy (including me) so let's all relax. I am glad the rider is ok and I hope a lesson can be learned. To watch out for silly messicans pulling ebrakes on the freeway.

and men are all pigs, damn you guys, don't we have some class?!?! Girl gets thrown from bike and everybody spawns out to the tits rescueing her?!

 

[Climber]

oh ya and btw fuckface, this is what she had to say

"Thank you for sticking up for me - this is the kind of Sheit that I was worried about. People starting to make up weird stories about what happened. That's why I need your guy's help to help me keep track of all these link and where else it's posted. I have no illusions that I can keep control...but I can try to minimize any potential damage.

So far, I've seen comments about how:
1. I didn't react and basically just let the car hit me.
2. I reacted wrong and should have gone left instead of right
3. I was wrong for being in the center of the lane instead of to one side or the other
4. I should have braked instead of turning
5. I didn't brake or turn
6. I staged the whole thing to scam my insurance company

...there is prolly a lot more.

I'm trying to only respond from here. As you guys know, my personal website is *EDIT* - but it's meant to be a personal, small site - it's not equipped to handle such bandwith - and it's not for strangers. So whatever questions people have, they can contact me through here...any questions, I will address through here. If I didn't address your question, please U2U me or post again - I prolly just didn't see it.

You're just a dumbass.

If I had been in her position I'd want people to learn from my experience.

We'd all like to believe that we'd do the correct thing under stressful situations where there is no time to think it through but the vast majority won't.

Here is how you learn to deal with a situation like this. You spend alot of time doing what-if scenario's in your head and you think through what you'd do each step of the way and think through all of the pro's and con's of each possible action. I learned to do that as a pole vaulter because as things happen you don't have time to stop and think it through.

Now if you're too friggin stupid to understand this type of approach or it's benefits then that's just your loss, but there are some of us who do this and we're able to make the right millisecond decisions more often than not.

What happened to her was very unfortunate and would have taken out more than 95% of the people riding out there but why wouldn't she want someone to learn from this (including herself!) and perhaps not go through the pain that she went through?

 

[Climber]

apparently so my friend cause it's absolutely fair to say you are wrong for saying that there is no evidence the driver pulled the parking brake when the rear wheel locked first. I give you respect as an elder but maybe somebody younger is right.

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1524231&page=1
go tell them that, they all confirm it's Ebrake

you should easily agree as a mechanic for 21 years that guy pulled the Ebrake

What is apparent to me is that the brakes on the right side of his car worked far better than the brakes on the left side, for whatever reason.

There was smoke on the right side rear and not the left side rear, then when he was about 15% out of alignment the front right brake (couldn't see front left) started smoking.

Why the dumbass didn't let up on the brakes when he went into the other lane and was way out of alignment is anybody's guess, clearly he is somebody who should never be allowed to drive on the road again.

 

[splat]

Funny thing is none of those, who considered it was the e-brakes, took into consideration that it may have been a different tire? Traction? treadwear? Size? brand? model? One brake is further than another from the brake booster, worn brake line...


you cannot conclude based on a poor quality video and without inspecting the car. You simply CANNOT!

 

[BoredTiger]

Did anyone consider, outside of the emergency brake, that a guy braking hard and having ONE hand on the steering wheel sending his piece of crap CIVIC into a spin?

How? Well like one of the poster's already mentioned, it's quite easy and possible to send a FW auto into a rear spin without E Brake when you steer and brake a certain way.

In this case, moron driver, was on THE CELL PHONE and driving with one or no hands at all. This is why he didn't see that traffic in front of him was slowing and realized too late and braked TOO hard and noticed that his car was "wiggling" as the weight moved to the front (where most of his braking takes place) and adjusted his steering to avoid the CENTER MEDIAN (he panicked).

And voila..."Mr. I drive like an ass and jaw on the cell phone" goes into a spin and hits our very smart rider (full leathers and pretty much minimized any more serious injuries by moving away from the main body of the car.

With hindsight, I would have to say, in that situation, it may have been safer to go LEFT, but that's only after seeing what happened. If that happened to me, I probably would NOT have had such a fortunate turn out in terms of up-ending on a headlight and landing over the car, without hitting the car. She did great.

 

[Nemesis]

Dude, you guys are ruining this thread with your constant bickering, and your worthless attempt to prove who's right and who's wrong over the net.

Get over it guys. Use all that energy towards something more productive.

The fact of the matter is that the rider is fine, the driver is at fault, and life will go on.

Sheesh..

 

[OldFatGuy]

With hindsight, I would have to say, in that situation, it may have been safer to go LEFT, but that's only after seeing what happened. If that happened to me, I probably would NOT have had such a fortunate turn out in terms of up-ending on a headlight and landing over the car, without hitting the car. She did great.

Yup, after all is said and done, she managed to stay alive and and end up with relatively minor injuries, just about the best possible outcome from this scenario. You can see she tried to steer through the "hole" between the two cars (exactly what I would probably have done in the same situation). She had no way of knowing that hole would completely close up like it did.

Luckily, she'll be able to talk about it for a long time to come. That's what really matters.

 

[brichter]

FWIW, going left should only be the last option to m/c rider in that situation. The car in the left lane is braking hard and moving over, and you can't be sure of what he/she sees. It might be the cars in front stopping, he might see something else. It could even be the other cars are stopping for debris in the road which could be dangerous for a m/c.

Safest place to be (and where I would have gone) is brake and tuck behind the car on the right, but I try not to hang next to cars when riding. I put myself next to the gaps in the cars whenever possible, since you always want to leave yourself at least one "out" any time you're driving.

Just some food for thought, watch out for the cagers! They want to kill us!

 

[Climber]

In her defense, she took a course of action that would have been a safe solution 99% of the time and it was really unfortunately that the fucktard inexplicably came around more than 90 degrees!

I have accelerated (on my R1 which I had at the time) to avoid an accident with somebody who at first looked like he was pulling over to let me past (I had been behind him for over 3 miles) then it turned out that he was pulling a U-turn and just missed me by a foot as I went past.

Each situation is different but we can learn from each one, especially when we have such a graphic example preserved on video. I know that she probably had some mis-givings about posting this video but I am really glad to have such a difficult situation available to us to add food for thought in how we would deal with the situation, not from the standpoint of second guessing her actions but from the standpoint of recognizing that one of us may be faced with a similar situation sometime in the future and perhaps do some pre-thought on how to react as the situation develops.

 

[Bad Dad]

I just wonder if the local CSI teams, and the local Law agencies understand the untapped potential on BARF in regards to the plethora of professional and expert crash reconstructionists that reside on this forum?

 

[Diezel]

Good thing CHP gets to see that vid. The black car (civic it looked like??) was following to close, slammed on his brakes (white car in front was stopping quickly too).... And the black car swerved into the lane, losing control and spining 180*.

What a jackass. +1 to the girl, hope she's ok, and gets a GOOD settlement.


If only the car to her right, didn't panic and lock up the brakes, sh'e had a 50/50 chance of sliding into that gap and missing it altogether.

 

[brichter]

I just wonder if the local CSI teams, and the local Law agencies understand the untapped potential on BARF in regards to the plethora of professional and expert crash reconstructionists that reside on this forum?

We should rent out our services.

"No matter what you said happened in your collision, the professional Internet debaters at BARF will find several so-called experts to testify in court on your behalf".

 

[nbn_lonestar]

I wish I could catch em effers like this in traffic, I'd AWP their faces...

+1, go CS!

 

[Flimsy Slowham]

Not that we need more people chiming in on this, but it occurs to me (and this is visible in the video), that the rider wasn't looking that far up ahead in traffic. You can clearly see the left lane ahead has come to a near-stop well before the driver of the black car begins his skid. If this is the case, shouldn't she have anticipated this coming? Don't we stay alive by anticipating these things?

I'm not dissing her, and thank god she's alive. The early posters were correct in that this should be an MSF video for all to learn from. Yes, she made a couple mistakes and yes, the black car was responsible. And yes, by the time she committed to her line, it was over. I don't think she could have come back left hard and fast enough.

However, that thought does remind me of the same thing they tell the guys who race NASCAR to do: point your vehicle in the direction of the LAST spot the rear-end of the vehicle spinning in front of you was, and you'll miss him. If the car spins completely around (as this black car did), your lane is open. If the driver over-corrects and starts to counter-spin, you still have time to get through before he pulls it all the way around again. Split-second decision making, but if you know in your head it's an option, you can pull it off more easily. If you ever watch an on-board video of any of these NASCAR spin-outs, that's exactly the evasive line the other cars take...

 

[Traq]

Brake hard, swerve behind the car to the right into the chute between 3 and 4, collison avoided.

Armchair QBing is easy.

Only other comment for this thread: JoneZ, remove the stick from your ass, kthx.

 

[JoneZ]

my dick's bent from this thread, thanks guys



sorry for sounding like a dick

 

[DiLbErT]

Well, like I said in the "other" thread before I saw this one:

"Holy crap! I woulda killed the driver of that Civic (after I made sure I was even alive) if that happened to me!
It really looks like he just grabbed a fist full of e-brake. I don't care HOW hard you're braking, you gotta try real hard to make a Civic do that while braking in a straight line, ABS or no ABS. And notice how the rear wheels lock up almost immediately. What a bastard.
Thank god she came out of it ok and was recording the incident. How often does THAT happen?!"

Wow, lots of discussion of physics, what the driver did to initiate the slide, etc... Wasn't really gonna chime in but as a "bored-as-hell-on-Monday-night-ex-formula car/kart racer" I feel obligated to. lol He definitely e-braked or there was something seriously fuxxored w/ his brake system. And for the people that say the rear will always lock up first due to weight transfer, you are incorrect. Most production cars these days are engineered with HEAVY front brake bias so the front will lock before the rear.

 

[Chad]

WHooa!

Honestly,

I think she has pretty good swerving skills.

The bike seemed to go STRAIGHT for what was the only open spot. and it just closed up. Stuff happens (especially on the fwy)

Kinda scary to think that this can happen that quickly. I guess I'll just keep my riding confined to the racetrack where it's safer! (No poopiebuts allowed!)

I was gonna forward this to a buddy, but I get a bandwidth message. Can anyone point me to another copy? Or send me one on e-mail?

thanks,
C

 

[brichter]

And for the people that say the rear will always lock up first due to weight transfer, you are incorrect. Most production cars these days are engineered with HEAVY front brake bias so the front will lock before the rear.

Cars are set up for heavy front brake bias to acheive lockup on all 4 wheels at the same time. But, that's braking in a straight line.

Not sure what you think your kart/formula experience has to do with this, but I state my position as someone who was in the wrenching business for 22 years, 17+ of which was on cages, and I only left the biz 5 years ago.

So there, my e-p3n0r is bigger than yours!