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Sears Point Turn One

Which Turn One At Sears Point?????

  • Leave It As It Was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Votes: 51 63.8%

  • Follow Like Sheep And Go The AMA Way.

    Votes: 29 36.3%
  • Total voters
    80
Lay off the T1 deal, it's a lame argument. We aren't all going to race 250's, we aren't going to race on ovals, and we aren't going go drag racing... We'll have to work within the frame work of the cards we've been dealt (big bikes, not so safe tracks, etc) and try to be as safe as possilbe. It's not like someone said we aren't going to race at Sears anymore for god's sake.

Besides, everyone is arguing about the T1 change, but doesn't anyone want to know why things like this don't have to go to vote for the general membership? Is anyone else concerned that something might come up at a meeting, get implemented, and not be received well by ANY of the members?

I know we all hate hearing it, because we've got our own lives, but if you're concerned about the decisions being made, GET INVOLVED. The members have phone numbers, they have meetings, and they're at every race.
 
jrace said:
Careful there. Ernie belches fire and farts brimstone. Not a man to meet without a carefully thought out defense. :teeth

-jim
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I render him senseless with blasts of fine cuban cigar smoke. It dulls the pain of getting owned by a AARP'er.
--dave
 
afm956 said:
Bottom line=The AMA T1 is the same for everyone. Learn how to conquer the corner, or get bitch-slapped. Your choice. :laughing
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Actually, it's not the same for everyone... riders who have run AMA events over the past few years will be much more familiar with the turn.

Not that it matters for me... :laughing :laughing :laughing

Anything is better than the 4 haybales AFM used to plop down in the front straight and call a chicane! :p
 
AFM#719 said:
Actually, it's not the same for everyone... riders who have run AMA events over the past few years will be much more familiar with the turn.
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Dave Glenn doesn't charge to watch his onboard video....yet. :laughing
 
afm956 said:
Dave Glenn doesn't charge to watch his onboard video....yet. :laughing
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dang, good idea... i could fund an entire season that way! though, i'm guessing being free accounts for 99.99% of the all views... oh well. free they'll remain. for now. :laughing
 
It was the same complaint over T9 when it was changed and Buttonwillow backwards: it's gonna be a death ride!

Turns out, it wasn't. And the advantage that seasoned AMA riders in our ranks have, they'd have anyway. They figured out Buttonwillow backwards fast enough to podium their bikes as usual. Go figure.

675 Trip, I did try to explain to you to not concentrate on one turn, especially that one, as the source of your intended progress. I had a feeling we'd be going this route. We race the tracks given to us. Get over it, gas up and ride. I don't have a favorite track, just a favorite time...the cooldown lap.

Ernie: Easy on the new guy. No reason to call him names.
 
NEWS FLASH! I went to Sears today and didn't fall down in T1! In fact, no one fell down in T1!!!

And not only that, but I didn't even see one person ride through the dirt. Go figure...
 
joe said:
NEWS FLASH! I went to Sears today and didn't fall down in T1! In fact, no one fell down in T1!!!

And not only that, but I didn't even see one person ride through the dirt. Go figure...
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you must be mistaken, we all know AMA T1 will result in the end of Western Civilization.
 
joe said:
NEWS FLASH! I went to Sears today and didn't fall down in T1! In fact, no one fell down in T1!!!

And not only that, but I didn't even see one person ride through the dirt. Go figure...
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Actually, the one bad crash of the day (edit -- B group) was in T1. NTTAWWT. I am pretty sure it wasn't the corner's fault.

I think Ken's comments were about as spot on as can be: it's a new turn and a new challenge. The discussions of it not requiring the level of skill the old turn had seem illogical. For those on smaller bikes (like me) dont make it such a point and shoot. You can carry more speed through the apex than you think. Get you knee over the curb and on the gas. Jump exit the curb (its fun).

I say forget the old corner, and move on. Sears still rocks, especially when its an 80-degree spring day and the hills are green and you are not at work.
--dave
 
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:deadhorse

I did my whining since I loved the old corner. But yes, I'm riding it tomorrow myself and I'm sure it'll be just fine.
 
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I was also at Infineon yesterday and I think that we ( the AFM safety committee ) made the right decision about turn 1. It adds a new track dynamic while increasing the level of safety.

Personally, I had a great time out there yesterday using the AMA turn 1. There was pleanty of grip and I never ran in to the dirt. Oh and it was 80 degress outside and the track was perfect.
 
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Rode it yesterday. I'm not sure what the big deal is? :confused It just seems like any other turn that needs to be learned, practiced, and mastered.

Sure, the old T1 was fun, but this isn't too bad, either. It's weird having this little triangle of candy-striping seemingly in the middle of the track, but it works for me.

But, one little bone to pick. For those that have been saying they've added pavement, that's quite a joke. They've barely added like a square foot of paving. Doesn't matter to me, though, I intend to stay out of the dirt...
 
If AFM runs AMA T1, then we've let the terrorists win!!!
Seriously, though. I watched my brother Ricky T-bone by Brant Wiwi's highsideing bike just as they were tipping it into T1 last year. Scared the shit out of me just watching it. Niether of them were hurt badly, but watching that crash looked like someone was gonna die. I won't mind the new T1.
 
dstanton said:
I was also at Infineon yesterday and I think that we ( the AFM safety committee ) made the right decision about turn 1. It adds a new track dynamic while increasing the level of safety.

Personally, I had a great time out there yesterday using the AMA turn 1. There was pleanty of grip and I never ran in to the dirt. Oh and it was 80 degress outside and the track was perfect.
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Not sure if this has been brought up yet but I heard Kurt and some others talking about this yesterday....

Dave, where were you rolling off the gas preceeding the new turn 1 and how would that affect your charge to the finish line at the end of the race assuming you were in a heated battle all the way to the finish line with another KFG?

Brian
 
I'd think they'll move the finish line back some.

I can't believe we're having this conversation. How many accidents have we had in T1 with destroyed bikes and riders?
 
Wet Shrub said:
Not sure if this has been brought up yet but I heard Kurt and some others talking about this yesterday....

Dave, where were you rolling off the gas preceeding the new turn 1 and how would that affect your charge to the finish line at the end of the race assuming you were in a heated battle all the way to the finish line with another KFG?

Brian
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Brian, I did make an effort to address the Start/Finish line issue that people have expressed concern about. I was able to hold the gas wide open to the current Start/Finish line and Safely make the AMA turn one. On my R1 the Start/Finish line was approx 120 MPH.

Edit: The AMA turn 1 will not effect the way I finish a race as I know that I can safely make turn 1 when racing to the line.

I hope that helps with any concerns that you might have.

Dave
 
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Cool. I must have missed that part of the conversation. That does help actually. I hope the less experienced riders that are also on big bikes are able to make turn 1 as quickly as you can and perhaps 2-abreasteses :boobies if they cross the line with another person. It would suck to have some heavyweight clubman guys going in on their R1's at 100mph or 110 and not have the same skill to slow down in time.

As for moving the finish line back, that would work well but would they have to move the tower and repaint the fat checkerboard section? Or just make a temporary one for AFM weekends?

The brainstormed ideas were flowing yesterday on how to slow people down in time:

-giant nets
-a runaway truck sand trap (Shawn suggested it be a Par 3)
-water hazard (similar shots for par)
-air craft carrier landing cables
-inflatable bounce house (they rent for cheaper than air fence)
-parachutes
 
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Wet Shrub said:


The brainstormed ideas were flowing yesterday on how to slow people down in time:

-giant nets
-a runaway truck sand trap (Shawn suggested it be a Par 3)
-water hazard (similar shots for par)
-air craft carrier landing cables
-inflatable bounce house (they rent for cheaper than air fence)
-parachutes
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:laughing :laughing :laughing
 
Laptime cutoff

I don't know if this was asked previously, sorry:blush
Are the laptime cutoffs going to be modified for this change or left as is?
I'm sure this will make it a bit harder for NC first timers to make it to sunday, especially if they have never run this turn before.

I'm not really for or against it now. I was kinda bummed at first but then I realized my laptimes are more than adequate with the old t-1 and the new one isn't so slow as to put me outside so now I really don't care....But, I am curious..

J-
 
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