SFO plane crash (7/6/13)

[louemc]

MY dad was an engineer and he said Korean airplanes were tail heavy because of the lack of passenger weight, due to Asians being smaller than real Americans. It's obvious what happened.

I'm a little concerned about your fathers engineering...
I'm more concerned that it could run in the family..

 

[ALANRIDER7]

Common sense would dictate there is a first time for everything, including the first time an instructor trains on a landing.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be one of these:

"You've got the controls, right?"

"No way. I thought YOU have the controls, right?"

"Wait. What the ............."

BOOM.

 

[msethhunter]

With that many pilots in the cockpit, would at least one constantly watch the airspeed during a landing? With or without auto throttle?

Some of them are on "rest." Which means they were either in first class or in the crew bunks. On long flights like that, when on rest, crews get hard to find.

 

[RickM]

Yea, the factors of safety are very near 1 if not slightly below as far as I've been told. The engines are barely held on because if one seizes they want it to rip itself off the plane instead of ripping the wing off the plane. arty

The factor of safety is never below 1. Its slightly above 1 but very close.

A safety factor below one , means its guaranteed to fail.

 

[Traq]

The factor of safety is never below 1. Its slightly above 1 but very close.

A safety factor below one , means its guaranteed to fail.

Depends how much faith you have in your calculations for expected loads.

I already gave an example where it's below one...the engines will rip themselves off the plane if the turbines seize.

 

[RickM]

Depends how much faith you have in your calculations for expected loads.

I already gave an example where it's below one...the engines will rip themselves off the plane if the turbines seize.

But that's not a normal load.

 

[Var]

A trainee captain

Technically he was training for that model, but I think it's a disingenuous media move to call this captain a trainee if he has 10,000 hours under his belt, including time in a 747.

It's hard to ignore that he seemed to have caused this crash regardless. But if he hadn't crashed nobody would be calling him a trainee either.

 

[Ducky_Fresh]

Wow, I read the flight 447 transcript. That Bonin guy is a fucking IDIOT!!! The other guy is more of an idiot for letting the bigger idiot control the plane while its stalling out. Unreal..

 

[vato_loco]

Wow, I read the flight 447 transcript. That Bonin guy is a fucking IDIOT!!! The other guy is more of an idiot for letting the bigger idiot control the plane while its stalling out. Unreal..

There's some speculation that Captain Dubois was tagging one of the flight attendants when everything started to unravel but that's neither here nor there... :|

 

[mercurial]

That flight 447 article freaks me the fuck out. It sounds like Bonin was so paralyzed with fear he wasn't even telling the other pilot that he had the stick continually pulled back the whole fucking time. And when you think about it, this Asiana accident might not be all that different, pilots completely over-reliant on partially automated nanny systems to the extent that they can't fly the fucking plane right if an automated system is off or slightly altered.

This is some serious bullshit that needs to be figured out. Maybe it should be where the plane either flies itself on full auto-pilot, or the pilots have full control. no inbetween.

 

[ALANRIDER7]

They waited 90 seconds before opening up the doors and beginning the evacuation process??? That is just fucked up.

 

[Valgar]

Oh my....

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-plane-crash-pilot-briefly-blinded-by-light-4658043.php

 

[MrIncredible]

That flight 447 article freaks me the fuck out. It sounds like Bonin was so paralyzed with fear he wasn't even telling the other pilot that he had the stick continually pulled back the whole fucking time. And when you think about it, this Asiana accident might not be all that different, pilots completely over-reliant on partially automated nanny systems to the extent that they can't fly the fucking plane right if an automated system is off or slightly altered.

This is some serious bullshit that needs to be figured out. Maybe it should be where the plane either flies itself on full auto-pilot, or the pilots have full control. no inbetween.

I somehow missed this article-linky? I don't see it in the thread.

 

[LongGoneJohn]

You are flying the wrong airlines or in economy.

Just to add, Asiana was one of my best flight experiences in F, truly worldclass airline in that respect.

I do fly economy 99% of the time, but I have flown business on United.

Most of my flights are to England, so they're relatively long hauls. That said, I've flown Virgina Atlantic, United Airlines, the german one I can't remember, and British Airways.

British Airways is the most pleasant, with United Airlines being the most unpleasant.

 

[mercurial]

I somehow missed this article-linky? I don't see it in the thread.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...really-happened-aboard-air-france-447-6611877

 

[sanjuro]

My pen laser worked!!!!

 

[littlebeast]

Some of them are on "rest." Which means they were either in first class or in the crew bunks. On long flights like that, when on rest, crews get hard to find.

irrespective of where they may be during flight ops, all pilots on board are required to be in the cockpit during both takeoff and landing. no?

 

[Marlowe]

irrespective of where they may be during flight ops, all pilots on board are required to be in the cockpit during both takeoff and landing. no?

I'd expect the currently flying crew to be there, but not necessarily the others.

Flight's gone all night, it's 4 or 5am for their bodies, and they need to meet their rest requirements.

Given the training situation, they had 3/4 up there, and that's about what I'd expect. The two that would be there anyway & maybe a check pilot.

 

[littlebeast]

I'd expect the currently flying crew to be there, but not necessarily the others.

Flight's gone all night, it's 4 or 5am for their bodies, and they need to meet their rest requirements.

Given the training situation, they had 3/4 up there, and that's about what I'd expect. The two that would be there anyway & maybe a check pilot.

yes, there are rest requirements during flight, but from what i understand of the regs, as i said, all pilots are required in the cockpit during the critical times of takeoff and landing. and they manage their rest schedules accordingly.

 

[msethhunter]

irrespective of where they may be during flight ops, all pilots on board are required to be in the cockpit during both takeoff and landing. no?

Every companies policy is different.