Slow speed practice, no experts please

[beginner]

swerving, cornering and braking--the three skills found most lacking in accident involved riders.

It's raining this morning and may rain all day but at the next opportunity may be I'll make a video for braking and another one for swerving. Swerving seemed to come naturally after all the figure 8 time. I wasn't comfortable going hard on the brakes until this year, one of the reasons for the 30 mph speed limit and avoiding traffic.

That would be the experienced rider course

The terms of service should be amended to say that motorcycle instructors are allowed to promote products (and make personal attacks on people who appear to disagree with them) to reflect what's already being allowed.

 

[froride1]

Your so full of shit its coming out of your mouth. What do you think they do in a class. They show you a technique, you do the techique, they watch and make sure your doing it correctly. During track days or riders school you have an instructor follow you around the track, then you come into the pits and discuss your laps. The instructor givess you pointers and suggestions to improve your riding. Then, wait for it, you go and practice what the instructor suggested. Sounds kind of like homework doesn't it.

So you seem to have no problem with purchasing the products when it comes to horse riding or musical insturment instruction why the irrational hatred of doing the same for motorcycles. Why are you willing to go to an expert for horses and music but not motorcycles? Like you said learning to ride horses and motorcycles is similar.

 

[beginner]

Your so full of ... its coming out of your mouth.

Terms of service are a joke, selectively enforced to protect the majority view.

It's 41 degrees, the rain has stopped for a while. It's a good combination because the pavement will stay wet, good conditions for playing with traction. If I can keep the camera dry I might make some video.

Made this video a few minutes ago. 2by4 exercise, harder than it looks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhP_eDUOhOE

 

[crazybob]

The terms of service should be amended to say that motorcycle instructors are allowed to promote products (and make personal attacks on people who appear to disagree with them) to reflect what's already being allowed.

motorcycle safety courses are a 'product'


Ever looked at the 1Rider forum?

 

[beginner]

He said one control at a time. Meaning you would not add lean angle and throttle at the same time, but instead, you would add lean angle, arrest lean angle, and then add throttle.

Today I paid careful attention to what I'm doing to encourage slip to describe it better. First I establish a turn then lean upper body weight to the inside of the turn to stand the bike up more then to get the slip going I simultaneously shift body weight forward and add a very small amount of power. I might then shift body weight to the outside of the turn (counter balance to the outside), or may be not depending on my confidence and how things are going. That is what it appears I'm doing right now, may be with more practice I'll be doing it differently.

rofl motorcycle safety courses are a 'product'

Courses are products, money changes hands. I started this thread to talk about practice with people who practice, not for product promotion.

 

[CaptCrash]

Today I paid careful attention to what I'm doing to encourage slip to describe it better. First I establish a turn then lean upper body weight to the inside of the turn to stand the bike up more then to get the slip going I simultaneously shift body weight forward and add a very small amount of power. I might then shift body weight to the outside of the turn (counter balance to the outside), or may be not depending on my confidence and how things are going. That is what it appears I'm doing right now, may be with more practice I'll be doing it differently.

By slip do you mean the lateral movement of the rear tire towards the outside of the turn? Which is commonly called Drift or Slide--or are you describing something else?

 

[beginner]

By slip do you mean the lateral movement of the rear tire towards the outside of the turn? Which is commonly called Drift or Slide--or are you describing something else?

I'm talking about the same thing that can be done in a rear wheel drive car when you unhook the rear tires and let them slip/slide/drift to the outside.

 

[Gnarly Cranium]

Wow. Come to think of it, I guess we should amend the TOS to keep people from pushing helmets and jackets and so on too! Man, this place runs such a greedy racket, telling people to go out and buy this expensive stuff when they should just be knitting their own. Shame on us.

 

[Phaedrus]

You should try slow speed ovals next to make it look like a big dick is attached to the balls you've etched into the ground.

 

[B-Cuz]

Made this video a few minutes ago. 2by4 exercise, harder than it looks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhP_eDUOhOE

What the hell was the point of that? Oooo, clutch/friction zone control. Big freakin deal.

 

[dOGHAIR]

You should try slow speed ovals next to make it look like a big dick is attached to the balls you've etched into the ground.

^LOL

Listen everyone, this guy video taped himself riding over a 2x4, then uploaded it to youtube, then posted it on a forum where he has been going around in circles as much as he does in his parking lot retreat away from the real world.
I read this whole thread, it is one of the most painful things I have ever subjected myself to.
Am I wrong in thinking that charlie was making recent favorable comments about his willingness to attend training classes of some kind, only to revert to the mantra of most of his earlier posts just now?
I can't tell if I read that right or not, I'm dumber for reading this thread, bordering on retarded. charlie is a plant, what perverse pleasure he gets from this thread is beyond me. Forest Gump has nothing on this guy.

[YOUTUBE]jhP_eDUOhOE[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Blacknblue]

1. Pick up 2x4.
2. Hit me over my helmeted head until I stop returning to this thread.
3. Repeat as needed.

 

[Gnarly Cranium]

Hey, it could be worse-- this could've been a political or religious discussion. Ooh, scary thought...

 

[crazybob]

Who do you think practices more than the people who teach practice?

It would be fun to have something like that in Michigan. I don't think we do. It's the right price for what's offered.

Charlie listen to me. Check this out http://www.driversedmi.com/Motorcycle.html it is only 15 miles away in Bad Axe. Take all the courses Beginning rider course, Experienced rider course and Performance rider course.

The weekend seminar course offered in Bad Axe is designed for people riding a motorcycle for the first time and who want to pass a State test with the least fuss and bother. My goal is to perfect the test, not simply pass the test.
Crash, I have no monetary interest in any part of the mtorcycle business. I just want to talk about practice with people who practice. Please don't push products in this thread.

I started this thread to talk about practice with people who practice, not for product promotion.

The terms of service should be amended to say that motorcycle instructors are allowed to promote products (and make personal attacks on people who appear to disagree with them) to reflect what's already being allowed.

Terms of service are a joke, selectively enforced to protect the majority view.

You hypocrite
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Do you hold a valid license to operate a motorcycle in Michigan?

You've asked this already and been answered but it's a moot point now. Over the winter Michigan passed a law that allows ORV's, including my KLX, to be ridden along road sides in certain counties, including my county. This gives me all the mobility I need off the farm.

So you just didn't care before? Sounds like those sheriff patrols should take away your bike until you're ready to man up and get an endorsement. Oh sorry, is that too 'product placement' for you? What's the address of that parking lot?

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Hey guys, for practice, I like to balance on my bike at stoplight without putting a foot down! I can do it for 10~20 seconds sometime, even going over obstacles like 2x4s! Should I post a video?

 

[beginner]

Who do you think practices more than the people who teach practice?

Motor police. I wish they would use their influence to get more riders practicing. Civilian motorcycle instructors would have more credibility advising practice to their students if they set the standard. It might also help if courses included more encouragement to practice and a more detailed practice roadmap. The instruction available today does not succeed in persuading new riders to become life long practicers.

So you just didn't care before? Sounds like those sheriff patrols should take away your bike until you're ready to man up and get an endorsement. Oh sorry, is that too 'product placement' for you? What's the address of that parking lot?

On the farm we operate all sorts of unlicensed vehicles. That's okay as long as they are kept on the farm. The new ORV law in Michigan means I'll be able to putz around some near by gravel mile roads, which I've done a couple times but I found that doesn't interest me much. When there were horses on the farm I rarely left the farm.

Hey guys, for practice, I like to balance on my bike at stoplight without putting a foot down! I can do it for 10~20 seconds sometime, even going over obstacles like 2x4s! Should I post a video?

Please do.

 

[CaptCrash]

The new ORV law in Michigan means I'll be able to putz around some near by gravel mile roads,

Citation please! This is an urban legend until you prove it! The Michigan State police are clear this is not the case with motorcycles. From the Michigan State Police Website:

"Training, Education and Licensure
Almost half of all motorcycle fatalities involved riders not properly licensed.

Michigan law requires a special endorsement to an operators license to drive a motorcycle. It is a misdemeanor to drive a motorcycle without an endorsement and can add points to your driving record. If you are under 18 years of age, you must complete a rider education course approved by the Secretary of State before you can apply for a motorcycle permit. Although permit applicants over 18 years are not required to take an instruction course, it is highly recommended for new riders of all ages.

Training and education is an ongoing process for every rider and should not end with licensure. Contact your local Secretary of State branch office for additional information and for the nearest motorcycle safety course.

All motorcycle riders must take a knowledge test and successfully complete a motorcycle safety class or pass a rider skills test. A motorcycle endorsement is required to legally ride on public streets and highways."

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7...3676--,00.html

When you invoke your "dangerous" argument you step over the line. Riding a motorcycle is not a religion and you are not a priest. I could be right, I could be wrong. Understanding is crucial to proficiency on a bike. Blind following undermines that. If you want to disagree do it on the merits, not with logical fallicies, ie. appeals to authority.

The new ORV law in Michigan means I'll be able to putz around some near by gravel mile roads,

For a guy who despises 'appeals to authority'...appealing to your own is kinda...well, trollish? BUT as we see you're a paradox, wrapped in a connundrum.

On the farm we operate all sorts of unlicensed vehicles. That's okay as long as they are kept on the farm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLzlZ1DJ6vo

Am I nuts or is this you on a yellow striped paved county road? Or do you have a reeeelly funky driveway with fog lines and such?

Slip where the front wheel is pointed away from the direction of the turn and the rear is tracking outside the front, commonly called drifting, is fun to watch. I never claimed to be doing that.

I'm talking about the same thing that can be done in a rear wheel drive car when you unhook the rear tires and let them slip/slide/drift to the outside.

See you have come credibility problems popping up here.

And gang? Yes, I'm feeding the troll BUT I work with 16 year olds all day who are sure that if you ask an undercover cop "Are you a cop?" the undercover cop has to answer truthfully--"cause there's a law duuuuude." We're at that point where people start doubling back on themselves...it's kinda fun.

OH and here's a slow speed practice video, just more stuff to work on in the lot. (After you arrive legally.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCUX3rHFjPE

 

[Enchanter]

Motor police. I wish they would use their influence to get more riders practicing.

They practice for a purpose. They need to maneuver their vehicle safely when doing their job issuing citations, responding to emergencies, and chasing criminals. Their slow speed skills have a direct correlation to their needs as Law Enforcement Officers. Many of the low speed skills are not applicable to higher speeds. You practice for the sake of practice. Why not pick a skill that has a direct link to survival? Your figure 8's, and your 2x4 exercise fail at this.

Civilian motorcycle instructors would have more credibility advising practice to their students if they set the standard. It might also help if courses included more encouragement to practice and a more detailed practice roadmap. The instruction available today does not succeed in persuading new riders to become life long practicers.

You couldn't be more wrong. You have no first hand knowledge yet you feel qualified to comment. You comments are foolish.

Your 2x4 video has no useful purpose. You conjure up some sort of 'task' and then conjure up the 'importance' and 'value' of this task. You are practicing, but you are not practicing skills that have any relevance to survival. You also frequently fail to correctly interpret the results of your practice. In other words, you are frequently wrong.

Someone found you a course nearby, and you dismiss it because it leads to a motorcycle license. You actively chose to bury your head in the sand rather than participate and gain skill. Your choice is foolish.

 

[Kornholio]

Tim....please...

 

[crazybob]

Please do.

No point. Fun to do, BORING to watch. Use clutch control, get a license to respect the moto police you admire, & use front brake.

 

[beginner]

They practice for a purpose. They need to maneuver their vehicle safely when doing their job issuing citations, responding to emergencies, and chasing criminals. Their slow speed skills have a direct correlation to their needs as Law Enforcement Officers. Many of the low speed skills are not applicable to higher speeds. You practice for the sake of practice. Why not pick a skill that has a direct link to survival? Your figure 8's, and your 2x4 exercise fail at this.

You seem to be saying that there's no benefit to civilian riders doing slow speed practice.

Your 2x4 video has no useful purpose. You conjure up some sort of 'task' and then conjure up the 'importance' and 'value' of this task. You are practicing, but you are not practicing skills that have any relevance to survival.

I got the 2by4 exercise from a document written by a motor police instructor named Neil Harris. The last time I checked he'll email the document to anyone who writes him and asks for it. It's free. motorlessons@comcast.net