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Smart gun technology: The societal risk, the societal gain

Inkman said:
"Now having had smart gun technology applied to firearms for the last 10 years, Calif lawmakers have introduced legislation that will require the software in these smart guns to block the firing of more than one rd every 30 seconds."

Governor Gavin Newsome was quoted as saying "We need to do everything possible to reduce the use of these weapons of war from causing the deaths of innocent people in our streets and neighborhoods. Nobody needs a weapon that can fire more than once every 30 seconds."

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So, source? Or did you make this Up?



Whether true or not now, it will likely be true in the future. It's one reason I can't support smart gun tech. I don't trust the tech to be as reliable as standard guns. But I trust politicians to look after my rights even less.
 
bojangle said:
So, source? Or did you make this Up?



Whether true or not now, it will likely be true in the future. It's one reason I can't support smart gun tech. I don't trust the tech to be as reliable as standard guns. But I trust politicians to look after my rights even less.
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Simply a look into the future of firearm ownership in this lovely state...

Al
 
Reli said:
LOL @ Gavin

He reinforces the stereotype of the clueless urban elite
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Barf understatement of the week :laughing
Fake news or not, Newsome is very anti-gun
 
It's not exactly unbelievable from CA's politicians given even half of their actual quotes in regards to guns. Just listen to pretty much anything coming out of Kevin De Leon's mouth, for example...
 
I can see the tech becoming available for those that want it in ten years then Kali making it mandatory and no grandfathering of previously owned guns, so smart gun or no gun for you.

I think the people will be able to print out hand held lasers that will be far more dangerous and easier to conceal by that time.

the video is to my view biased against guns and playing to the "think of the children" angle. More than twice as many children, aged 1 -14, die from drowning than getting shot, either accidentally or on purpose.
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltech...-thats-kept-smart-guns-off-shelves-nationwide

Basically, the Childproof Handgun Law of 2002 says that once "personalized handguns are available" anywhere in the country, all handguns sold in New Jersey must be smart guns within 30 months.

The goal of the law was to spur "research, development and manufacture" of smart guns, according to its sponsor, New Jersey state Sen. Loretta Weinberg. But in practice, supporters and critics of the law now agree, that has not been the case.
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mototireguy said:
I disagree with the idea of this smart gun tech being mandatory.

Would optional for folks interested in it be ok?
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This is exactly the point. I know plenty of people that would not be comfortable with weapons in the house for any number of reasons; Children, Roommates, a dodgy neighbor, whatever. had this argument before, but as an option, smart guns are less likely to lead to accidents and much less of a target for theft.

One point I will admit counter to that. A lot of the people who would buy a smart gun either wouldn't buy one or would have a series of locks, safes, etc. to protect their family from it (which at the same time nearly removes the argument of 'home protection' as why they have the gun.
Inkman said:
Simply a look into the future of firearm ownership in this lovely state...

Al
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So completely fake. What a great contribution to the thread. :twofinger
tuxumino said:
I can see the tech becoming available for those that want it in ten years then Kali making it mandatory and no grandfathering of previously owned guns, so smart gun or no gun for you.

I think the people will be able to print out hand held lasers that will be far more dangerous and easier to conceal by that time.

the video is to my view biased against guns and playing to the "think of the children" angle. More than twice as many children, aged 1 -14, die from drowning than getting shot, either accidentally or on purpose.
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I think of this more in terms of the prevention of suicides, specifically in teenagers and people in their early 20's. That number is worryingly large.
 
Watching snippets of this video bit by bit as I'm working on some other stuff. First bit that jumped out at me is the claim that smart gun tech will help prevent suicides. Uh...how exactly? To the best of my knowledge, most people committing suicide with firearms aren't stealing the guns they use. They're using their own.

Additionally, if they were really worried about lowering the suicide rate, focusing on guns isn't going to change anything with the root causes.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Watching snippets of this video bit by bit as I'm working on some other stuff. First bit that jumped out at me is the claim that smart gun tech will help prevent suicides. Uh...how exactly? To the best of my knowledge, most people committing suicide with firearms aren't stealing the guns they use. They're using their own.

Additionally, if they were really worried about lowering the suicide rate, focusing on guns isn't going to change anything with the root causes.
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I would say between the age 10-19 the vast majority of people who commit suicide do not own the firearm they use, and it belongs to a parent/guardian.

For other age groups, I think waiting periods as well as suicide prevention material in gun shops and some training for gun shop employees would do a lot more toward preventing suicides then smart guns.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
How about just a built in trigger lock?
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What is a "built in trigger lock?"

And is it better than a safe?

Perhaps we could just pass a law that makes firearm owners criminally as well as civilly responsible... Oh, wait... We did that... But because EXISTING LAWS ARE NOT ENFORCED it made no difference.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
How about just a built in trigger lock?
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I think the vast majority of accidental shootings in the home are due the the state the firearm is left in. People don't seem to consider the energy required to discharge a round. They leave 'em racked and ready to go, maybe sometimes with a safety that can be actuated by a mouse. It's a ridiculous way to leave a gun. The vast majority of kids out there can't rack anything, but they can squeeze. People should, at a minimum, leave guns in a state that requires something more than squeezing. I've had loaded guns around the house in the open since the kid was born, but there was no way in hell she could rack the AR, or the ol' Model 11.
 
ScarySpikes said:
This is exactly the point. I know plenty of people that would not be comfortable with weapons in the house for any number of reasons; Children, Roommates, a dodgy neighbor, whatever. had this argument before, but as an option, smart guns are less likely to lead to accidents and much less of a target for theft.

One point I will admit counter to that. A lot of the people who would buy a smart gun either wouldn't buy one or would have a series of locks, safes, etc. to protect their family from it (which at the same time nearly removes the argument of 'home protection' as why they have the gun.
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The issue with smart guns is enforcing gun safety in an overreaching manner.

I think almost all responsible gun owners will agree about securing their weapons (sorry guys who sleep with their gun under their pillow). The challenge is how to prevent the idiots and the criminals from irresponsible gun use.

An analogy can be made stopping DUI's. We could install interlocks on all cars so that no drunk driver can get behind the wheel. Actually, there are more alcohol-related driving deaths than shooting murders.

And the answer is no, this is too much overreach.

As for the reliability of smart guns, why isn't there a smart ignition system? Where a car will only start if the owner has a special watch or band? Is it because the technology is not reliable yet? Or is it that the demand for such high security isn't there?
 
aminalmutha said:
Assault rifle:

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A Salt Rifle:



Dan
 
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