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While I appreciate your point, I had to laugh at this statement. I believe the thing that you don't think exists yet is referred to as an "automotive key fob".
And they've been around for a long time.
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Smart gun technology: The societal risk, the societal gain
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While I appreciate your point, I had to laugh at this statement. I believe the thing that you don't think exists yet is referred to as an "automotive key fob".
And they've been around for a long time.
Actually, I was thinking about that since I've driven a Charger with a key fob. But that could be stolen.
tuxumino
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actually half of the suicides with firearms are men over 45
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/
GiorgioFurioso
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As could a special watch or band.
Perhaps you meant to say that there are no biometric security options designed for automotive use? Which, BTW, is actually happening now. Just google "automotive biometrics".
My opinion is that automotive biometrics are now coming in to play because a convergence of technologies has recently made it possible to be cheap and reliable. It's not lack of market demand that has been holding it back...
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So if someone is suicidal, and they can't get access to a gun, then problem solved?
I'm hungry. Damn those politicians for making it hard for me to acquire a fork. I can't wait 10 days! Hmmm, any other options? Maybe I'll just feed myself with a spoon...no wait, chop sticks...or my hands? Hmmmm, still have many choices. Nevermind, I won't starve.
HappyHighwayman
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This makes sense.
I agree it is the responsibility of the gun owner. Most people I know take safety very seriously.
Tharkûn
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Then FAKE news.
We can't even do satire anymore? You guys need to lighten up
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Well, sure. But when satire is sooooo close to being mistaken as truth, probably should make a point to not mislead people. I'd like to think the satire as being ridiculously exaggerated to the point of being funny, but sadly, I could foresee this as being reality at some point.
NorCalAthlete
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Having not watched the video before reading his post, my "what the fuck" was due to thinking that was a quote from the video 
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From https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/:
Under age 15, cause = suicide: 139 deaths.
Age 15-34, cause = suicide: 5,061 deaths.
I don't see anything for the 10-19 age group, so it's not real clear how many of those 5,061 are from the <19 category. But here's another way to break it down - the legal age to purchase a long gun is 18. Furthermore, I would wager that most homes with firearm + child aged 10-19 have trained the child in handling the firearm in case of an emergency, and that even with biometrics, at some point prior to 19 would have added the child to the "authorized" list of users anyway.
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edit - to address a couple other things you bring up ([1]waiting periods, [2]suicide prevention material, [3]training for gun shop employees):
1. IF it's your first firearm, and you're not purchasing it as an urgent need for self defense due to a restraining order or something, I could maybe see waiting periods having an effect. However, while the actual act may come soon after a purchase, the path to being suicidal is not sudden nor impulsive. So I'm not sure how much effect a waiting period would actually have on suicide rates. It's a bandaid solution, reactive rather than preventative.
2. Sure, why not. Easy enough to do, might save a couple lives here and there, non-intrusive, etc. I'm ok with that.
3. Shouldn't be too hard to implement, but I'd be cautious on mandating it or how much leeway there'd be. I'd really rather not have a bunch of pseudo-counselors trying to analyze everyone.
.From https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/:
Under age 15, cause = suicide: 139 deaths.
Age 15-34, cause = suicide: 5,061 deaths.
I don't see anything for the 10-19 age group, so it's not real clear how many of those 5,061 are from the <19 category. But here's another way to break it down - the legal age to purchase a long gun is 18. Furthermore, I would wager that most homes with firearm + child aged 10-19 have trained the child in handling the firearm in case of an emergency, and that even with biometrics, at some point prior to 19 would have added the child to the "authorized" list of users anyway.
[youtube]XMg0FQS6Fqo[/youtube]
edit - to address a couple other things you bring up ([1]waiting periods, [2]suicide prevention material, [3]training for gun shop employees):
1. IF it's your first firearm, and you're not purchasing it as an urgent need for self defense due to a restraining order or something, I could maybe see waiting periods having an effect. However, while the actual act may come soon after a purchase, the path to being suicidal is not sudden nor impulsive. So I'm not sure how much effect a waiting period would actually have on suicide rates. It's a bandaid solution, reactive rather than preventative.
2. Sure, why not. Easy enough to do, might save a couple lives here and there, non-intrusive, etc. I'm ok with that.
3. Shouldn't be too hard to implement, but I'd be cautious on mandating it or how much leeway there'd be. I'd really rather not have a bunch of pseudo-counselors trying to analyze everyone.
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True, but this doesn't actually contradict my statement at all.
Guns are a particularly quick and effective means of suicide. Fun fact, Women attempt suicide about 3 times as often as men do, but Men are 4 times more likely to die from suicide then women. This, in part, is because women slit wrists and pop pills, men shoot themselves. Suicide is a somewhat spur of the moment thing most of the time and a 1-2 week wait gives time for people to rethink their decision. Almost all the time, people that attempt suicide and survive it end up regretting the decision very soon after they do it. Giving people a week or two to think things over makes it much more likely they will change their mind.
Can anyone explain why it's such a bit deal having to wait a while for a gun when you usually have to do that for cars, motorcycles, any online purchase, etc.
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With all the gun control laws, I'm least concerned about a 10 day waiting period. Kinda dumb for current gun owners and police, but I'm not too worried about it.
As for attempts vs. following through. Has much more to do with male vs. female psychology than a gun. Suicide attempts and statements are a cry for help. People who are really ready to end it just do so, and we find the body later.
I have lots of experience dealing with suicidal people. I've written hundreds of emergency commitment forms. I've dealt with lots of "attempts" and a few completed acts. From my personal experience of recent memory over the last decade in my jurisdiction, I recall being involved with 5 completed suicides. All were males. One was a hanging. One was a hose from tailpipe carbon monoxide death. One was a truck into a large tree. And two were firearms, with one of the firearms cases being a murder suicide.
Guns accounted for only 40% of complete homicides I've dealt with recently and 0% of the other hundreds of suicidal statements and "attempts". It's because those "attempts" are cries for help, not real attempts.
Well, this is an interesting discussion.
http://www.biometricupdate.com/2017...-increasingly-adopting-biometric-technologies
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Those have ten day waiting periods?!
Oh, wait, THEY DO NOT. Scary Spikes, your bias and/or ignorance is showing again...
Why bother with facts when hyperbole supports your cause more dramatically?
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For many reasons, I'd be in favor of biometric tech for vehicles over guns.
Auto tech can backfire on the owner. Not biometrics, but last year I assisted with a hit and run DUI case. The impaired suspect hit a parked car and fled (like they usually do). His on star type alert system was activated ands they called the police, providing GPS location at his house.
We arrived on scene and located the recently crashed and warm car in the driveway. The impaired guy we contacted denied driving the car that only he had access to. Had no explanation for the crash. He also had no explanation for the injuries to his lower legs corresponding with the lower airbag deployment.
What was this thread about again?
NorCalAthlete
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Huh? I crashed my GSXR 600, got out of the ER at 0100, and was at the dealership at 0900. Swiped my credit card and rode home on a brand new GSXR 750.
I sold my Husky 630 at 1700 on a Saturday, and drove home an FZ09 Sunday at noon. The only waiting I've ever needed to do for new vehicles was for the dealership / seller to sign paperwork. I bought a new laptop online and it was delivered to my house literally less than an hour later.
Where are you getting your information from? Seriously. In this day and age of Amazon Prime and same day delivery....it's a bit worrisome that you're this unaware / ignorant of things.
asthmodeus
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motorcycles is fer crashin', guns is fer killin. big differnce, sonny boy.
NorCalAthlete
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My post is in reference to "you usually have to [wait a while] for cars, motorcycles, any online purchase, etc."
asthmodeus
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i understand that. you should have to wait for firearm purchases though.
Before the C&R laws changed, I had a great time buying from random people in gas station parking lots with no background checks. Sure, I killed lots of babies for ten days just to honor the concerns behind the waiting period, but hardly any after that.