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Stock Thread 2018

Bonds have been taking a dump lately, and may continue doing so, so really if you want a hedge against stocks, CD's are the only safe choice. I wouldn't try shorting the market or buying one of those short/inverse funds, since it stands to reason they go down more often than they go up.

There aren't any "safe" choices in investment. Just degrees of risk. If inflation stays low, the Fed won't raise rates more than nominally and conditions won't change much. Barrons roundtable today almost unanimously expects higher equities and very moderate inflation this year. If you buy a CD at 1.7% and the market returns 4.5%, and the rate of inflation is 2.1%, that's not safety at all.
 
company 401k bond fund choices

Not stock related, but close...

My company's 401(k) offers the following bond funds:

Pioneer Strategic Income Fund K STRKX
Prudential High Yield Fund Q PHYQX
Voya Intermediate Bond Fund R6 IIBZX
DFA Inflation-Protected Securities Portfolio Institutional Class DIPSX
AB Global Bond Fund - Class Z ANAZX

All are expensive and the durations seem too long to me. Any opinions on which might be the best to use? I am currently invested in the first 3, 10%, 5% and 5% respectively. I am in the process of reducing the number of investments I am in in this plan and want to end up with just one bond fund.
 
There aren't any "safe" choices in investment. Just degrees of risk. If inflation stays low, the Fed won't raise rates more than nominally and conditions won't change much. Barrons roundtable today almost unanimously expects higher equities and very moderate inflation this year. If you buy a CD at 1.7% and the market returns 4.5%, and the rate of inflation is 2.1%, that's not safety at all.

Agreed but it's better than simple savings or money market accounts like some people.

As for Barrons, seems to me they're just a shill for Wall Street.

Not stock related, but close...

My company's 401(k) offers the following bond funds:

Pioneer Strategic Income Fund K STRKX
Prudential High Yield Fund Q PHYQX
Voya Intermediate Bond Fund R6 IIBZX
DFA Inflation-Protected Securities Portfolio Institutional Class DIPSX
AB Global Bond Fund - Class Z ANAZX

All are expensive and the durations seem too long to me. Any opinions on which might be the best to use? I am currently invested in the first 3, 10%, 5% and 5% respectively. I am in the process of reducing the number of investments I am in in this plan and want to end up with just one bond fund.

Without visiting their webpage I have no idea what the first one is. The second one sounds like corporate junk bonds, which typically do well during good stock markets. The 3rd one is just like it says, intermediate term, with a mix of government and corporate. It's gonna act like a proxy for the "middle average" bond market. The fourth one, no idea. The fifth one, you'll need to consult the pros to determine whether global bonds are a good idea right now. You should also check whether that fund is denominated in US dollars or not, as there are different theories about that.

Overall I don't think government bonds will have a good year. Maybe corporates and junk, but that's pushing it. If I were you I'd put most of your "bond allocation" into commodities instead.
 
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Agreed but it's better than simple savings or money market accounts like some people.

As for Barrons, seems to me they're just a shill for Wall Street.



Without visiting their webpage I have no idea what the first one is. The second one sounds like corporate junk bonds, which typically do well during good stock markets. The 3rd one is just like it says, intermediate, probably mostly government bonds. I have a fund just like it that's been going downhill the last couple months. Doubt it will recover unless stocks make a pullback. The fourth one, no idea. The fifth one, you'll need to consult the pros to determine whether global bonds are a good idea right now. You should also check whether that fund is denominated in US dollars or not, as there are different theories about that.

Overall I don't think any US bonds will have a good year this year, except possibly corporates and junk. If I were you I'd put most of your "bond allocation" into commodities instead.

Thanks for your insight, I have been leaning towards getting out of them as you suggest.
 
Edit, of the first 4 I would pick the first one (STRKX). I checked its page and it is mostly corporate and MBS, not government bonds. So is the second one, but it's more risky since it's high-yield (junk).
 
Something to think about.

If there are two interest raises this year, that's going to put the 10 year over 3%, for the first time in 7-8 years. That's something very worth thinking about. That's way over the dividend yield of the Dow Thirty. In other words, suddenly increased yields are going to drive bond prices down, almost certainly. When the yield goes up, the price of existing bonds goes down. If there are three, it's quite possible that we will see an uproar in pension funds, insurance companies, and general investment as that long sought after commodity, return on investment, shows its head again in bonds.

Jeffrey Gundlach, one of Barrons favorite panelists, says he thinks the great times from bonds have probably passed, as does Bill Gross. In other words, a lot of bonds that are going to be sold next year are going to command higher interest rates, which will lessen demand for existing bonds.

One of the things that has happened over the last eight years is the big squeeze. Every bit of money (return on investment) has been squeezed out. Bond interest rates have been super low. CD's pay diddle shit, saving accounts a half percent. That's changing. Suddenly Banks are offering 1-2% for deposits where they were offering .5 to 1%. Return has gotten really expensive, and when a new source opens up, it will be exploited. A lot of bonds will be sold next year, and the rates will be higher. That, in turn, means any existing bond fund you own is probably going to languish or go lower, depending on duration.

So what's a good investment? In short, everybody is in this together. Fifty years ago buying stocks was pretty much a guaranteed path to "riches", it's not quite that simple now.

Overall I don't think government bonds will have a good year. Maybe corporates and junk, but that's pushing it. If I were you I'd put most of your "bond allocation" into commodities instead.


I think this is pretty risky. Allocation into one extremely volatile sector is probably never a good idea. If you like risk, maybe 10%.
 
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Yeah, commodities are not really an investment... they don't earn money. They are a bet or hedge.
 
Commodities earn a return just like anything else, when they're doing good.

Good luck collecting those commodity dividends. All you get is the luck of the price change and that goes up or down with about equal probability. Is this what you want your investments to look like?

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Dividends are only one part of return. Most tech stocks don't even pay them. Should people avoid tech stocks?

Also not sure why you think that graph, of only one commodity, means anything. I never buy individual types of commodities, I buy the whole basket using funds like DBC, which by the way is up more than 25% since last summer.
 
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Dividends are only one part of return. Most tech stocks don't even pay them. Should people avoid tech stocks?

Also not sure why you think that graph, of only one commodity, means anything.

I don't know. About 98% of the dot com tech stocks died appalling deaths at the end of the dot com era. The question isn't "should" if you want to put it that way, it's "which?".

In the large corporations dividends have historically indicated a healthy cash flow, moderate rate of return on investment, and a low tax income. What's to hate about that?
 
There's nothing to hate about dividends, but I'm more concerned with total return potential. If I believe a certain sector will outperform, I'll invest in it, regardless of whether or not it pays dividends.
 
Dividends are only one part of return. Most tech stocks don't even pay them. Should people avoid tech stocks?

Also not sure why you think that graph, of only one commodity, means anything. I never buy individual types of commodities, I buy the whole basket using funds like DBC, which by the way is up more than 25% since last summer.

Looks like copper is up about 50% in that time. :)

Point being, It's a crap shoot.
 
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There's nothing to hate about dividends, but I'm more concerned with total return potential. If I believe a certain sector will outperform, I'll invest in it, regardless of whether or not it pays dividends.

Sure, why not. I diversify as well.

I don't consider commodities a sector like stocks or bonds. The history of high volatility is long and rocky.
 
Forgot to mention, I would recommend everyone add a good commodity fund, especially with inflation rising. DBC or GSG are good choices. Maybe 5-10% of your portfolio.

I looked up DBC. It invests in exchange traded futures on commodities.
Can someone explain what futures trading is?

I was hoping to find an index fund on precious metals and energy.

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DBC already includes metals and energy, plus other commodities like agricultural products.

DBO is purely oil
PICK and REMX are purely metals

but is DBC betting on what the future prices are of metals, energy and agricultural products?
 
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