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The gun expert from the New York Times

Ratters said:
You know, like Laura Croft, one gun in each hand. ;)

The force of any twist would be absolutely miniscule and have no effect on felt recoil, I promise you. Especially when the twist is so slow, like one revolution in ten inches. The bullet doesn't even spin once before it leaves the barrel.
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I think what you are looking for is
M = (1.7x10^-9 x W x R^2 x n )/T

M= torque in lb ft
W = bullet weight in grains
R = radius of bullet diameter in inches
n = RPM of bullet (twist in the barrel)
T = time bullet is in barrel in seconds
 
Yeah, but my point is rise in any direction happens in relation to center of gravity, not for any other effect. At least not in any significant way.
 
Nahullo said:
I think what you are looking for is
M = (1.7x10^-9 x W x R^2 x n )/T

M= torque in lb ft
W = bullet weight in grains
R = radius of bullet diameter in inches
n = RPM of bullet (twist in the barrel)
T = time bullet is in barrel in seconds
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Where did you find that forumula? Pretty cool. But in any real world application the torque applied would be minimal in any practial way.
 
Ratters said:
Where did you find that forumula? Pretty cool. But in any real world application the torque applied would be minimal in any practial way.
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I think that would depend on several factors... Not the least of which would be RPMS and weight of the bullet...

I got it from a friend I use to work with back in the day. He is retired, for the most part, and I spoke to him about the technical parts - ref weapons on this thread (grips, tactics, and ballistics). He said it was easy to formula to consider - for him maybe. I made him send it to me.
 
Nahullo said:
WTF...


...Now if you think I am wrong and the Second Amendment was designed to allow individuals to impose their will on the populace by using their constitutional right to bear arms and to kill politicians, then we will agree to disagree.
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Which I very clearly qualified. As previously stated, the sanity of ones actions, particularly when the taking of lives is involved, is typically determined after the fact. Had we lost the revolution, the Boston Tea Party would appear to be a tantrum from a bunched of spoiled Merchants and nutjobs who liked to play dress up rather than an act of patriotic revolt in the new Republic. Likewise, if this fruitcake turned out to be right about the mind control agenda and currency fraud insanity he though he was fighting against when he killed these government officials, he would be lauded as a hero rather than the nutcase he is going to be executed as. Further, you seem to be under the misguided presumption that the 2nd Amendment's provisions for revolt seem to be intended only to be for a largely organized Military group such as the State Militias of the Civil War, but this is CLEARLY not the case as shown in the recent Supreme Court ruling that overturned the Washington D.C. handgun ban and placed the right to bear arms (the right to revolt) unequivocally in the hands of individual citizens and NOT limited to the National Guard and similar military institutions as many Constitutional Law gun control advocates have argued in recent decades.
 
Eldritch said:
Which I very clearly qualified. As previously stated, the sanity of ones actions, particularly when the taking of lives is involved, is typically determined after the fact. Had we lost the revolution, the Boston Tea Party would appear to be a tantrum from a bunched of spoiled Merchants and nutjobs who liked to play dress up rather than an act of patriotic revolt in the new Republic. Likewise, if this fruitcake turned out to be right about the mind control agenda and currency fraud insanity he though he was fighting against when he killed these government officials, he would be lauded as a hero rather than the nutcase he is going to be executed as. Further, you seem to be under the misguided presumption that the 2nd Amendment's provisions for revolt seem to be intended only to be for a largely organized Military group such as the State Militias of the Civil War, but this is CLEARLY not the case as shown in the recent Supreme Court ruling that overturned the Washington D.C. handgun ban and placed the right to bear arms (the right to revolt) unequivocally in the hands of individual citizens and NOT limited to the National Guard and similar military institutions as many Constitutional Law gun control advocates have argued in recent decades.
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i thought we were giving this a rest...?

"Had we lost the revolution, the Boston Tea Party would appear to be a tantrum from a bunched of spoiled Merchants and nutjobs who liked to play dress up rather than an act of patriotic revolt in the new Republic. "
Right, not an individual's decision - will of the people and all that...

"you seem to be under the misguided presumption that the 2nd Amendment's provisions for revolt seem to be intended only to be for a largely organized Military group such as the State Militias of the Civil War"
No, you are ill informed - that was not my assumption. But a single person, like this ass-hat, is clearly not the will of the people.

" recent Supreme Court ruling that overturned the Washington D.C. handgun ban and placed the right to bear arms (the right to revolt) unequivocally in the hands of individual citizens and NOT limited to the National Guard and similar military institutions as many Constitutional Law gun control advocates have argued in recent decades"
Thanks, I use to live in DC and am aware of the decision - which I support whole heartedly.
 
exactly my point. :) the word and definition change over time. it's a lot less important to know what, and where than the current name. I figured to point out the silliness of acting all French and insisting on language purity instead of focussing on what's critical.

Especially whenever energy weapons come into play, then we'll be right back at "battery" :p

the M1 ("the greatest battle implement ever devised") used an "en bloc clip" that unlike a stripper clip went into the weapon and was automatically ejected upon empty (ping!) and we don't want the angry ghost of Patton showing up like Ermey's ghost character in "Frighteners" :)

now to make way for the inevitable "rifle vs. gun" debate as well. And more room for those confused as to what "shall not be infringed" means.

BTW, for those trolls who are confused as to what the framers of the Constitution really meant, just about of their significant debates and opinions on the subjects are well documented and preserved, a collection of letters collectively known as the Federalist Papers are probably the best place to start (and it's even less pages than a single Crime or Health Care bill from a DNC administration!) . There's even an iPhone app for that: the Owner's Manual for the United States of America.


2strokeYardSale said:
Well hell if you want to get all technical and shit...

magazin_e.jpg


... it's a detachable box magazine.

And if you are going to link and quote Wikipedia you might as well reference the page concerning firearms, not the page concerning artillery storage. Once upon a time a magazine was a place for storing kegs of black powder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_(firearms)
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Nahullo said:
i thought we were giving this a rest...?

"Had we lost the revolution, the Boston Tea Party would appear to be a tantrum from a bunched of spoiled Merchants and nutjobs who liked to play dress up rather than an act of patriotic revolt in the new Republic. "
Right, not an individual's decision - will of the people and all that...

"you seem to be under the misguided presumption that the 2nd Amendment's provisions for revolt seem to be intended only to be for a largely organized Military group such as the State Militias of the Civil War"
No, you are ill informed - that was not my assumption. But a single person, like this ass-hat, is clearly not the will of the people.

" recent Supreme Court ruling that overturned the Washington D.C. handgun ban and placed the right to bear arms (the right to revolt) unequivocally in the hands of individual citizens and NOT limited to the National Guard and similar military institutions as many Constitutional Law gun control advocates have argued in recent decades"
Thanks, I use to live in DC and am aware of the decision - which I support whole heartedly.
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I was, until you decided to bring up like 3 pages of my posts in quotes just now to respond to someone else. Are you just trying to play last word game now?

FYI, at the time of the event in question, the police were looking for a Caucasian accomplice with grey hair in his mid-50's. How many people did you decide justifies it as the, "Will of the People?" Not that it's relevant as I have clearly stated that this was not the will of the people time and again...
 
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Tragedies are used as opportunities for those in power, especially when a tragedy causes fear. Those who are reacting to this tragedy with fear, and hoping to advance firearm prohibition should listen carefully to the words of this mourning father. We live in a relatively free nation. Using events like this horrible mass murder as leverage to create more restrictions adds one more victim to the casualty list: liberty.

If anyone believes that our honest legislators and executors are capable of creating just legislation as a result of tragedy, they are more optimistic than I am. Be careful with your liberties. They are easier lost than won.
 
Eldritch said:
No you won't. ;)
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What, not breast fed as a child or something and having trouble letting go? If you want to continue, I'm game. If not, I promise I won’t quote you any more to other people – that seems to bother you a bit :)
 
Nahullo said:
What, not breast fed as a child or something and having trouble letting go? If you want to continue, I'm game. If not, I promise I won’t quote you any more to other people – that seems to bother you a bit :)
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:laughing Nope, but if you're going to quote me up, I feel it's only appropriate to respond.
 
CoorsLight said:
Oh WONderful. And it's no shock that spearheading this legislation is none other than Carolyn McCarthy. You better hide your forward grips! Hide your barrel shrouds!

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+1. I also love how according to the NY Times article, the "clip" can hold thirty "bullets." That might be true, but bullets don't do anything without the rest of the cartridge.
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We need more reporters like that guy and call these idiots on their ignorance.
 
magyarbetyar said:
We need more reporters like that guy and call these idiots on their ignorance.
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He lost his bow tie! :shocker Wonder if he still wears argyle socks and golf knickers :laughing

But good on him for calling her out on her ignorance
 
gixxerjoeca said:
Hurr durrr durrr, stupid fawkers.

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This is what really scares me about this country. . .the ignorance of people in mainstream media and the people that supposedly run this country(more like their own personal agendas)

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magyarbetyar said:
This is what really scares me about this country. . .the ignorance of people in mainstream media and the people that supposedly run this country(more like their own personal agendas)

:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown
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Yeah… Ignorance is bliss... I think the media is more reactionary or liberal (depending on their bias) than the people (citizens). Its how they (the media) sell advertising – got to grab the attention, the hell with the facts…
 
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