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The Official 2012 NFL Thread

Bowling4Bikes said:
^:laughing that's a lovely piece of something

yeah, jason tarver. already like him, as he graduated in BMB, just like me. so I know he's mentally capable. It's just about the toughest route to get a science degree that I know of, besides physical chemistry. And trust me: being a scientist doesn't pay nearly porportionally as to the effort it takes to become one. His dad was probably the first one to tell him to F teaching and go for the NFL.
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yeah tarver is interesting. he was playing ball at santa clara when they discontinued the football program, went to west valley for a year then gave up football, got his degrees and then went into coaching. he was an olb coach with the niners, then spent one season as co-defensive coordinator at stanford. spent 10 years with the niners, wonder why harbaugh didn't keep him around?

guess the only question mark is lack of experience as a DC, but shouldn't be that big a hurdle since the HC is a defense guy.
 
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postcholo said:
seriously, do you ever stop being a dick? or is it a 24/7/365 thing?
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Seriously? What makes me a dick? That someone posted nonsense, you agreed with them and I showed that you're both wrong? Do the homework yourself, google is your friend. There are just as many 1st round rookie WR's who excelled their first year as there are flops. Like any other position. WR's dont have a special rate of failure that other positions dont. Tory Holt, Randy Moss...you do the rest. It's just like any other position.
 
elbacalao said:
Seriously? What makes me a dick? That someone posted nonsense, you agreed with them and I showed that you're both wrong? Do the homework yourself, google is your friend. There are just as many 1st round rookie WR's who excelled their first year as there are flops. Like any other position. WR's dont have a special rate of failure that other positions dont. Tory Holt, Randy Moss...you do the rest. It's just like any other position.
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you know perfectly well-- unless you're extraordinarily dense-- that he didn't mean that statement literally. if he had, he would have stated it declaratively, "Calvin Johnson is the only receiver picked in the first round in recent years who hasn't been a bust." yet you still chose, as usual, to jump down someone's throat over an intentional overstatement and, as a bonus, mention someone from your team.

and you showed we were both wrong by citing one example? and now you're digging up dinosaurs? holt and moss? yeah, how about that jerry rice guy too? blows up the entire theory.

limiting myself to this millennium:

2011
aj green - great rookie year
julio jones - injuries, but pretty good rookie season
jonathan baldwin - only played in 5 games

2010
demaryius thomas - hasn't done much
dez bryant - very good wr and return threat

2009
darius heyward-bey - mostly a bust, but showed some life this season
michael crabtree - same as dhb
jeremy maclin - good season in 2010, dropped off this year
percy harvin - dangerous wr/kr when healthy
hakeem nicks - excellent
kenny britt - pretty good first 2 yrs, injured last yr

2008
none

2007
calvin johnson - doesn't count, he's mike's exception
ted ginn - bust as a wr, good return specialist
dwayne bowe - excellent
robert meachem - deep threat, doesn't put up big numbers, not his team's #1 wr
craig davis - bust, out of the league
anthony gonzalez - so-so 1st 3 seasons, injured in 2011

2006
santonio holmes - was doing pretty well in pittsburgh...

2005
braylon edwards - couple of good seasons, but not his rookie yr, generally a bust
troy williamson - bust
mike williams - bust
matt jones - mega bust
mark clayton - so-so, never anything special
roddy white - he's good, but 1st 2 yrs nothing much

2004
larry fitzgerald - outstanding
roy williams - one big season ('06)
reggie williams - bust
lee evans - bills best wr first 5 seasons nothing much since
michael clayton - good rookie season, then nothing
michael jenkins - never anything special
rashaun woods - mega bust

2003
charles rogers - bust
andre johnson - excellent
bryant johnson - bust

2002
donte stallworth - 9 seasons and nothing much to show for it
ashley lelie - bust
javon walker - 2 big seasons, more shitty ones, nothing much as a rookie

2001
david terrell - bust
koren robinson - bust
rod gardner - bust
santana moss - he's had a pretty good career, after slow start
freddie mitchell - bust
reggie wayne - he's been outstanding, although rookie year not so much

2000
peter warrick - bust
plaxico burress - nothing rookie yr, but pretty good since (when he isn't doing time)
travis taylor - bust
sylvester morris - bust
r. jay soward - who?

so, the first rd hasn't been a complete wasteland, but you can find guys in later rounds that have performed at least as well.

as for other positions, you figure that one out and get back to us.
 
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postcholo said:
you know perfectly well-- unless you're extraordinarily dense-- that he didn't mean that statement literally. if he had, he would have stated it declaratively, "Calvin Johnson is the only receiver picked in the first round in recent years who hasn't been a bust." yet you still chose, as usual, to jump down someone's throat over an intentional overstatement and, as a bonus, mention someone from your team.

and you showed we were both wrong by citing one example? and now you're digging up dinosaurs? holt and moss? yeah, how about that jerry rice guy too? blows up the entire theory.

limiting myself to this millennium:


so, the first rd hasn't been a complete wasteland, but you can find guys in later rounds that have performed at least as well.

as for other positions, you figure that one out and get back to us.
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I didnt "jump down" anyone's throat. What because I used the word Bullshit?! If he was offended by that, I'll gladly apologize. Really Max, in all honesty, stop being such a hypocrite in this thread. You correct people ALL THE TIME in NFL threads, and you bust balls when you do it. I dont have a problem with it. No one should. Its an NFL thread. So dont call me out, nor insult me, for doing what you yourself have done plenty of times.

As you mentioned, the first rd hasnt been a wasteland of WR's, which was exactly my point. Like any position, the WR spot for 1st rounders has had many success stories, and many failures. Like any position. I named four, not one example. AJ Green, Julio Jones, Torry Holt, and Randy Moss. They all had excellent, by anyones standard, rookie seasons. That was the only point I was making to begin with. That there were other WR's picked in later rounds who succeeded isnt relative to the discussion.
 
elbacalao said:
I didnt "jump down" anyone's throat. What because I used the word Bullshit?! If he was offended by that, I'll gladly apologize. Really Max, in all honesty, stop being such a hypocrite in this thread. You correct people ALL THE TIME in NFL threads, and you bust balls when you do it. I dont have a problem with it. No one should. Its an NFL thread. So dont call me out, nor insult me, for doing what you yourself have done plenty of times.

As you mentioned, the first rd hasnt been a wasteland of WR's, which was exactly my point. Like any position, the WR spot for 1st rounders has had many success stories, and many failures. Like any position. I named four, not one example. AJ Green, Julio Jones, Torry Holt, and Randy Moss. They all had excellent, by anyones standard, rookie seasons. That was the only point I was making to begin with. That there were other WR's picked in later rounds who succeeded isnt relative to the discussion.
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i don't know, maybe it's just the voice i hear when i'm reading your posts that makes them sound more histrionic and effeminate (i.e. bitchy). my bad. :p
 
postcholo said:
i don't know, maybe it's just the voice i hear when i'm reading your posts that makes them sound more histrionic and effeminate (i.e. bitchy). my bad. :p
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Ha. I can deal with that. :laughing
 
Brandon Jacobs' answer when asked about Gisele's comments:

"She just needs to continue to stay cute and shut up"
 
for the thread posting natural hat trick, I submit this gem from my fave columnist:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nhl/story/...-buccigross-welcomes-back-nfl-fans-super-bowl

similarity between NHL and NFL:

• You have weirdos (kickers). We have weirdos (goalies, Dallas Stars TV analysts).

difference:

• Most importantly, when our championship trophy, the Stanley Cup, is awarded, it is handed first to a player. Not a billionaire owner or a coach. In fact, every player touches our championship trophy before a coach or owner does. Football spends too much time talking about quarterbacks and coaches. We hockey fans know that from age 5 to age 40, it is and always should be about the players, all the players, first. Admit it, our trophy is way cooler. Classic Camaro cooler. Yours is akin to a Ford Tempo. Our trophy is also the best in the world because you can drink out of it. If I wanted to kill someone, I would probably choose yours. P.S.: I have no plans to kill anybody.
 
Dude must have missed the SB then, when every Giants player touched the Lombardi Trophy before it was presented to the owner.
 
elbacalao said:
You dont like the choice? I'm no fan of Pitt but it seems to be a good fit. He's going to keep the offense much like it was, pass oriented. That should make Rapelisberger happy.
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For Pittsburgh, it's fine, but I'm not a Pittsburgh fan.... :laughing

By all accounts he wasn't a very good coach with a huge ego, not really a good combo, especially working for a GM with an even bigger ego.

He wanted more credit for KC's one good year so he ran Charlie Weiss out of town, and guess what, they tanked after that.

He spent this past season, the games he coached that is, attempting to blame Crennell, and that didn't work, and the topper, Crennell did alright when he replaced him (2-1, I think) with a newly acquired QB (Orton).

Let's see what happens when his ego starts clashing with Tomlin....
 
mikev said:
Dude must have missed the SB then, when every Giants player touched the Lombardi Trophy before it was presented to the owner.
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huh, I watched it but missed that part too....that's a good change in tradition.
 
Johndicezx9 said:
Stay classy, Giants! :laughing
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Dude, Big Thunda shoots his mouth off in Giants uncharacteristic fashion with a certain degree of regularity, but he is right the fuck on with this one. Do you think Brady is at all happy about his wife going after Welker to the press? He must be fucking FURIOUS.
 
She probably won't be seen in public until the bruising fades for that one.

Steve
 
MtnRacer said:
She probably won't be seen in public until the bruising fades for that one.

Steve
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SERIOUSLY. I mean shit, having your woman go after your guys might actually even be worse than if you go after them to the press yourself, because then you betrayed them AND you're a bitch.

Brady probably has enough cred to get past it with his guys, but that shit would RUIN a locker room for most Quarterbacks.

postcholo said:
bah, in typical Underwear Model fashion, he probably took her shopping for shoes and didn't say shit.
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:laughing
 
Eldritch said:
Dude, Big Thunda shoots his mouth off in Giants uncharacteristic fashion with a certain degree of regularity, but he is right the fuck on with this one. Do you think Brady is at all happy about his wife going after Welker to the press? He must be fucking FURIOUS.
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Forget Brady, he's a pussy...

Darth Hoodie though...especially after another SB loss....

I'd be gone fucking underground by now, if I were her...

:laughing
 
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