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The Official 2015/2016 NFL Thread

CocoLoco said:
Not sure what you're saying here. The Cards have a top flight offense and Palmer is running it. Their offense and passing game are on par with the likes of NE and Pitt. Palmer is playing this season like a true franchise QB. He could have done the same for the Raiders if they'd kept him.
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and he is, because the team around him is competent.

the raiders had a piss poor, oft-injured o-line and an even worse defense. there's nothing Palmer could have done...I guess you can say I would argue that Jackson did the best he could with the team he had.
 
mikev said:
Yeah he did give up too much for Palmer, but he was in the process of trying to save his job.
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I am sure Al's "untimely departure" added a couple of games to his tenure.... :laughing

Bowling4Bikes said:
the raiders had a piss poor, oft-injured o-line and an even worse defense. there's nothing Palmer could have done...I guess you can say I would argue that Jackson did the best he could with the team he had.
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Agreed... AZ this year is such a better built team than the 2011 Raiders.

Again, I like Jackson, and he will get another HC job, he deserves it.
 
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CocoLoco said:
Not sure what you're saying here. The Cards have a top flight offense and Palmer is running it. Their offense and passing game are on par with the likes of NE and Pitt. Palmer is playing this season like a true franchise QB. He could have done the same for the Raiders if they'd kept him.
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If Palmer had stayed with the Raiders, his body would've been shattered by so many sacks he'd already be retired. :wow
 
CocoLoco said:
I think it would go a long way to support Jeddy-bear's apology if he picked another great coach regardless of how he perceives their relationship developing. They don't need to like each other. They just need to coexist. I'm of the opinion that, after weighing the past 10 years, above all else, Jeddy-bear would rather have a winning team than a losing one. Finding a way to make it work with a good coach is part of the equation he needs to tally. Hiring a coach with the track record of Payton would be a tremendous addition balancing the talk/walk equation for the FO. For a fan like me it would go a long way in bringing back my interest to the team.

The distancing from Baalke makes me think he's been put on notice as well. His influence on the team may be waning a bit allowing room for a strong personality to lead the team from the HC position.
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Chip Kelly? :laughing


mikev said:
Baalke and Payton know each other from working with Parcells
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Bill Parcells only ever worked with one team. :x
 
Zerox said:
If Palmer had stayed with the Raiders, his body would've been shattered by so many sacks he'd already be retired. :wow
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Maybe. Maybe not. If they had been smart enough to keep him maybe they would have been smart enough to put some players around him. Obviously they weren't and didn't.
 
Something of a surprise, the Buccaneers let Lovie Smith go....

I thought he did pretty well with a rookie QB that started off throwing nothing but interceptions.

Brings the total of coaching vacancies to 7....
 
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Johndicezx9 said:
Something of a surprise, the Buccaneers let Lovie Smith go....

I thought he did pretty well with a rookie QB that started off throwing nothing but interceptions.

Brings the total of coaching vacancies to 7....
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crazy. He went what 2-12 last year to 6 - 10 this year? Rookie QB. Not hard to see them gaining another 3 wins next year. It takes more than 2 years to rebuild. 3 head coaches in five years. Cant win with that formula, just look at Cleveland.
 
Bowling4Bikes said:
and one fucking tuck rule fucking fumble and one immaculate fucking reception, they'd have had two more
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Nope. All the laws of decency in the Universe indicate that as long as the worst owner in the history of football was alive, they would never win one in the post Madden-legacy era. :D
 
Eldritch said:
Nope. All the laws of decency in the Universe indicate that as long as the worst owner in the history of football was alive, they would never win one in the post Madden-legacy era. :D
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Enjoy your post Coughlin, aging Eli, Jerry Reese trying to rebuild decade of suck... :teeth

I'll enjoy the ascension of the Carson Raiders! :laughing :thumbup
 
Johndicezx9 said:
Enjoy your post Coughlin, aging Eli, Jerry Reese trying to rebuild decade of suck... :teeth

I'll enjoy the ascension of the Carson Raiders! :laughing :thumbup
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I'm seriously worried about it.

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Reese should not have survived this season and honestly I though Coach should have been allowed to play out his contract through next year. I really feel like with Spags coming on board and McAdoo in place, Mean Grandpa inspiring the devotion of his players, the coaching staff was really where it needed to be if we could just come some fucking players on the team other than Beckham and Eli. Seriously, one pass rusher and one Corner and we would be an 11 win team in the playoffs right now, regardless of the injuries and whatnot. I am very concerned with Reese being kept on. I have been crying for his head for years now. We seriously haven't had a Linebacker on the team since Antonio Pierce, unless you count Jon Beason's half seasons since we picked him up off of the Isle of Broken Toys.

I think the future looks bright for the Raiders though for sure. Franchise QB, super star WR, super star Pass Rusher, all young guys with plenty left to give. A good head coach who knows how to manage a franchise that has had productivity problems in the past, and a brand new stadium on the horizon to really inspire management to drive for success to demand premium ticket prices. After 35 years of constant and amazing suck, the Raiders appear to me to truly be back in business. If I was in Silver and Black, I'd be excited as hell right now.
 
I guess somebody has to come out and ask and I have no shame at the expense of my man-card. I never played football and I don't know any NFL dudes.

Does anybody know exactly what an NFL Head Coach even really does? Aside from the few who have chosen to call plays, I mean. All functions I can think of have specific positions to address. Numerous coaches for numerous sub-groups of players. A GM and owner to pick players. Cadre of trainers to evaluate physical issues. Aside from pep talks and fourth downs and kickoffs?

I truly don't know what they do. I imagine film sessions and strategizing, but then I remember that's what Coordinators are for.... I guess depending on the history and orientation, HCs perhaps have varied roles. If strong on Offense, maybe they sit on top of the OC and vice-verse for D.

I mean, we are going through the usual Black Monday bloodletting but I truly wonder whether firing HCs is really the solution to most of the NFL teams' problems. Coughlin is a good example. Yes, something is wrong with that squad. They can be great, they have a SB QB and head coach and most exciting WR in the league and other times it goes to shit. Is the accusation that Coughlin isn't riding them hard enough, day-to-day, week-to-week? Eldy, what did Coughlin do that was wrong?

I still think Baalke-York chemistry is what is wrong with the 49ers. I don't know what Tomsoula even did wrong, other than not somehow challenge those two egos. He seemed a bit like the kind of passive presence that old Al Vader used to hire while he was still above the dirt. I always wondered what all those Raider coaches did from Tom Flores forward. Every time I looked at Flores, I got nothing. I couldn't imagine him ordering anybody around yet he remains fairly popular.

I'm serious. I don't really know how to process what I hear about this.
 
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Bay Arean said:
I guess somebody has to come out and ask and I have no shame.

Does anybody know exactly what an NFL Head Coach even really does? Aside from the few who have chosen to call plays, I mean.

I truly don't know what they do. I imagine film sessions and strategizing, but then I remember that's what Coordinators are for.... I guess depending on the history and orientation, HCs perhaps have varied roles. If strong on Offense, maybe they sit on top of the OC.

I mean, we are going through the usual Black Monday bloodletting but I truly wonder whether firing HCs is really the solution to most of the NFL teams' problems. Coughlin is a good example. Yes, something is wrong with that squad. They can be great, they have a SB QB and head coach and other times it goes to shit. Is the accusation that Coughlin isn't riding them hard enough, day-to-day, week-to-week?

I still think Baalke-York chemistry is what is wrong with the 49ers. I don't know what Tomsoula even did wrong, other than not somehow challenge those two egos.

I'm serious. I don't really know how to process what I hear about this.
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It depends a lot from team to team. Often times the HC will dictate the game plan the coordinator is then supposed to implement. Do we run against Seattle or Pass against Washington? Can we press man against Arizona or use a heavy blitzing zone scheme? The other way around? Usually the HC will direct that sort of thing and then the coordinator has to go implement the game plan with their knowhow calling the plays. Sometimes the Coordinator has their own system they use with their own playbook and sometimes the Coach has their own plays they want used. More than anything else, the Head Coach is required to define the work culture of the team, keeping Team Meetings and Practices on the right page and providing the leadership figure for the players to rally behind. He also has to work with the GM on matters around Self Scouting and draft development.

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Eldritch said:
It depends a lot from team to team. Often times the HC will dictate the game plan the coordinator is then supposed to implement. Do we run against Seattle or Pass against Washington? Can we press man against Arizona or use a heavy blitzing zone scheme? The other way around? Usually the HC will direct that sort of thing and then the coordinator has to go implement the game plan with their knowhow calling the plays. Sometimes the Coordinator has their own system they use with their own playbook and sometimes the Coach has their own plays they want used. More than anything else, the Head Coach is required to define the work culture of the team, keeping Team Meetings and Practices on the right page and providing the leadership figure for the players to rally behind. He also has to work with the GM on matters around Self Scouting and draft development.

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Yeah. To me Coughlin is living embodiment of sober maturity, work culture and willingness to lead. We joke about Mad Dad, but I never questioned that he was a firm, present hand in the proceedings. Some coaches, like Tomsoula, just seem present while missing in action, I dunno. But we don't get to know what happens behind the scenes, we only see the large outlines of their reputations and their firings. And when players revolt or love em. Everytime I hear the NFL Insider or whatever reporter who is regarded as expert, I wonder how they even could be, if they are never in film sessions, and meetings, etc. I guess its all about developing sources, but they quite often get it wrong, so...
 
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Bay Arean said:
Does anybody know exactly what an NFL Head Coach even really does?
I still think Baalke-York chemistry is what is wrong with the 49ers. I don't know what Tomsoula even did wrong, other than not somehow challenge those two egos.
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I think the head coach is the most important guy on the team. He's the boss of the multi-millionaire players, the guy who has direct interaction with them on a daily basis. The assistant coaches are crucial as well.

But each team is ran differently, so there is no one catch-all answer. There are lots of teams where the owner and/or GM have too much influence and do too much meddling, which doesn't usually work (Baalke-York, Jerry Jones* etc). And other teams where the coach has too much power, and takes on too many tasks. That doesn't work either.

(* Yes, meddler Jones won 3 Super Bowls many years ago...all with the talent pool selected by coach Jimmy Johnson)
 
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