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The Official 2015/2016 NFL Thread

Jones and Johnson did seem to click even though they were probably constantly at each others throats.

It seems like a big part of the jobs is dealing with huge egos from owners, to GMs to players themselves. I guess its like a feuding army command or something. The game is certainly military in nature like the old George Carlin gag.

The disconnect I have with seeing the HC as most important man is that the spectacular failures are usually laid at the two coordinators, ya know? To me, the OC and DC seem to be almost more important. I guess its a matter of needing someone to shoulder the overall big picture that is their value. Sorry for thinking out loud here, but my mind has been on Tomsoula, trying to figure out what he did wrong when the immaturity of York is so incredibly obvious.. All the sportswriters and pundits blame him easily but I am skeptical. For all we know, he got the best out of what hand he was dealt. When I ponder the winning Niners under Harbaugh, I keep thinking of their spectacular defense. I think two out of the three playoff years showed a Niner defense that was just devastatingly good. Harbs was a former QB, seemingly an offense guy. I am not sure what role he played in the defensive success whatsover.
 
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Bay Arean said:
The disconnect I have with seeing the HC as most important man is that the spectacular failures are usually laid at the two coordinators, ya know? To me, the OC and DC seem to be almost more important.
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There are lots of good coaches that get fired, while the team keeps some looney GM who schmoozes the owner with buddy-buddy time. GM's are less important than the head coach imho. The coach should have some input into player selection, so firing a GM is not going to hurt anything. Easily replaceable. Firing a good coach is going to hurt everything. Not easily replaceable.
 
For being an offense guy, Harbaugh's team sure relied on having a top 2 defense.

Tomsula was simply in over his head. The team was constantly unprepared, didn't make halftime adjustments, and was just generally in disarray.
 
Bay Arean said:
It seems like a big part of the jobs is dealing with huge egos from owners, to GMs to players themselves.
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This above all else is the top job for the HC. IMHO.
Yes, the HC influences the game plan and usually more so given his particular background.
Their biggest obstacle is managing the egos of 53 players, the GM, and the owner/CEO. And getting them all moving in the same direction to win. The input on x's and o's they provide is junior level stuff that they have to have mastered already in order to even be considered for the job.
 
mikev said:
For being an offense guy, Harbaugh's team sure relied on having a top 2 defense.

Tomsula was simply in over his head. The team was constantly unprepared, didn't make halftime adjustments, and was just generally in disarray.
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Not to beat Mr. Ed to death even more, but aren't halftime adjustments the responsibility of the two respective coordinators? Are they NOT going to adjust unless they are ordered to do so? I guess it's that big-picture perspective the HC would offer and whisper, say or scream into their ears at halftime....Otherwise it would seem to be their authority to make adjustments based on injuries on either team, tendencies, whatever....
 
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A little of both. Generally the HC doesn't do the actual playcalling, but he needs to work with the coordinators as well.

Ultimately the responsibility falls on the HC.
 
mikev said:
A little of both. Generally the HC doesn't do the actual playcalling, but he needs to work with the coordinators as well.

Ultimately the responsibility falls on the HC.
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It's funny because we can draw the parallel to CEO of a corporation who gets canned when profits fall. Under that model, though, of the HC being the sacrifical figurehead, the OCs and DCs would normally stay. BUt it seems like they always go too. So once again, possibly good talent is squandered. Even if they were gonna chuck Harbs, letting go of their DC (wasn't it Vic Fangio?) seemed like a mistake. The defense was working. The injuries, sudden retirements and enforced criminal suspensions were the problem, not the DC, nestpaw????

It just seems like a screwy deal.
 
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Usually, the coaching staff below the HC is picked by the HC. It's the one part of the personnel system that remains within their sphere of control regardless of their position with respect to GM. And, so, if the HC is canned most of the other coaches go. Either because they move on with the fired HC, they don't like the situation, or the FO just wants to clean house.
 
Bay Arean said:
It's funny because we can draw the parallel to CEO of a corporation who gets canned when profits fall. Under that model, though, of the HC being the sacrifical figurehead, the OCs and DCs would normally stay. BUt it seems like they always go too. So once again, possibly good talent is squandered. Even if they were gonna chuck Harbs, letting go of their DC (wasn't it Vic Fangio?) seemed like a mistake. The defense was working. The injuries, sudden retirements and enforced criminal suspensions were the problem, not the DC, nestpaw????

It just seems like a screwy deal.
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It really depends. Coughlin retired under pressure, but both the coordinators are being kept, he is clearly a sacrificial lamb in this scenario.
 
Eldritch said:
It really depends. Coughlin retired under pressure, but both the coordinators are being kept, he is clearly a sacrificial lamb in this scenario.
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This is a real ad on nfl.com :wow
 

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DeFilippo appears to be a long shot for the head-coaching job but could be viewed as a candidate for the 49ers’ offensive coordinator position under the next head coach.
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HE's also being interviewed for the Rams OC job.
 
stigeon said:
"We shold hire one of those hot new coaches from the Clevland Browns staff...."

- said no one, ever

http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Report-49ers-to-interview-Browns-OC-DeFilippo-6745411.php

Wait, Jed, wtf are you doing..... I thought you apologized for being a meddling twatwaffle and wouldn't do this anym.....

*sigh* Nevermind.
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HE's also being interviewed for the Rams OC job.
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I'm guessing the win the Browns had over the 9ers last month left quite an impression on Jeddy.... :laughing
 
Zerox said:
Larry Ellison wants to buy the Niners? That would make a lot of people happy.

http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/ostler/article/Jim-Tomsula-s-firing-turns-up-the-turbulence-6734701.php
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He wanted to buy the Warriors, too.

And I believe Jed when he says it'll be sold by his family "over his dead body."

Whether or not we think little Jeddie-boy deserves to drive Mommy's Ferrari (well, it looks more like a Fiero right about now) that's the nature of privileged and family money.

They won't be boo'd out of ownership like Chris Cohan was.
 
stigeon said:
Whether or not we think little Jeddie-boy deserves to drive Mommy's Ferrari (well, it looks more like a Fiero right about now) that's the nature of privileged and family money.
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The Fiero got recalled because it would randomly burst into flames. :laughing
 
FYI, currently the Raiders have a more stable coaching staff than SF and Jersey-A combined

ooonch ooonch ooonch
 
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