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The Official 2015/2016 NFL Thread

People don't "become" passers. They either have it or they don't. Steve Young had it. If you are able to watch any of his performances in the '87 season you'll see what I'm talking about. His numbers for that year aren't great except for the TD/Int. Dude was destined to greatness and if the NFL hadn't implemented the salary cap he would have won more than one SB with the 9ers.

Except there was a pretty good Dallas team that kept Young from winning a few SB's in his prime....
 
I do, but I also remember what I said about the Eagles being a very good team when he inherited them. What is worse, every single talking head in the media right now is swearing up and down that Kelly is the second coming of Crapernick, with Gabbert being left to whatever instead of being developed as the franchise guy. Again, a recipe for disaster.

Until proven otherwise, I will stand by my guns that Mike Vick was the best, "run first," QB ever to play that position and he didn't amount to shit for a reason. Running QB's (different from a QB who can run) simply do not win championships.

Agreed about the distinction between running QB's vs. QB's that can run, and Vick. I'm not gonna be happy if Niners fans get sucked into another year of QB strip tease with Kap where at the end we're emotionally broken and there's no happy ending.

From the outside looking in it actually looks like Gabbert is a better fit for Kelly's system than Kap is.

Kelly want's a quick thinker, smart decision maker, and accuracy for his QB, first. Even as a layperson I can clearly see those are Kap's three biggest weaknesses. Being able to run, scramble, and throw deep (inaccurately) is all Kap brings to the table. Not a good QB, not a good fit for Kelly.
 
Agreed about the distinction between running QB's vs. QB's that can run, and Vick. I'm not gonna be happy if Niners fans get sucked into another year of QB strip tease with Kap where at the end we're emotionally broken and there's no happy ending.

From the outside looking in it actually looks like Gabbert is a better fit for Kelly's system than Kap is.

Kelly want's a quick thinker, smart decision maker, and accuracy for his QB, first. Even as a layperson I can clearly see those are Kap's three biggest weaknesses. Being able to run, scramble, and throw deep (inaccurately) is all Kap brings to the table. Not a good QB, not a good fit for Kelly.

After the agony of last year, I am convinced that Kaep only can function if he has a huge O-line protecting him. He doesn't SEEM or ACT scared, but his judgment and vision is shit under pressure. Without some massive o-line changes, he'll be on the bench behind Glabbert. He needs the old Redskin Hogs to flourish. He aint getting it.
 
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or in Cleveland.

Hue Jackson loved him in 2011 and wanted to draft him.
 
After the agony of last year, I am convinced that Kaep only can function if he has a huge O-line protecting him. He doesn't SEEM or ACT scared, but his judgment and vision is shit under pressure. Without some massive o-line changes, he'll be on the bench behind Glabbert. He needs the old Redskin Hogs to flourish. He aint getting it.

I disagree, if he is allowed to run like the devil is at his heels, he can make some plays, even if his protection is weak. He is just a physical monstrosity that can do that, his first 2 years showed that back when the pistol actually worked in the NFL. Problem is, Harbaugh tried to shoehorn him into a pocket decision maker role and it tanked, which got only worse under Tomsula as they continued to try and make him into something he is not.

Word on the street is, Kelly was licking his chops to get Kaep in Philly after he got benched and was trying to figure out a trade deal before all this nonsense happened, so, Santa Clara may be in for another year of overpriced nightmare with that kid while wasting another year of development for Gabbert.

Of course most of this is still speculation and rumor, but again, if I strapped on Red and Gold to go to war, I would be VERY concerned about this HC hire.
 
I'm good with the Cards winning one. If they get knocked out I'd like to see Smith beat Seattle. I don't think he can and I don't think the Chefs will win in Foxborrow tomorrow.

As for Chip Kelly. I agree with all the others stating his offense is only good when it's producing long drives. It may may take less time to complete a long drive for his offenses but they have to put them together and be productive. As of now I don't much care for him as a coach. The 9ers do not have the offensive personnel for his system and I think they'd be foolish to turn their roster over in order to meet the needs his system demands. If he can adjust his system to the players he has and simply use the "hurry-up" style of offense to get plays in quickly, allow the QB to read the D, and minimize D substitution I think it may work. He is a good play-caller and game manager. Much better than Geep Chryst or whatever-the-fuck his name is.

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Kelly's offense doesn't require a running QB and Gabby proved to be a QB who can run last year. He just ate the ball too many times for my liking. This will be a huge tell for me. If Kelly keeps Gabby as the starter he will have gone a long way to winning me over.

You don't think the Pats are too hurt? I would bet my money on Major Tom if they were healthy, but I feel like the Chiefs D is too sturdy for the depleted receiving corps in Boston.
 
You don't think the Pats are too hurt? I would bet my money on Major Tom if they were healthy, but I feel like the Chiefs D is too sturdy for the depleted receiving corps in Boston.

I would like to see Smith win one I but don't think he can. So while the Pat's O is on the ropes I think Darth Bellicose will dial up a D that crushes Smith's hopes once an for all. It'll be a tight game that the Pats win because Smith actually ends up making more mistakes and fewer plays than Brady and the NE O.
 
I want Chiefs and Cards, dammit, for the SB. Big money will hate it, market wise.

I'm not even bothered by the Panthers in/winning the SB; they play like they're having fun, Newton's a star, their defense is one of the best, and Ron Rivera's a Monterey Pen local ("Seaside, YOU KNOW!")
 
I want Chiefs and Cards, dammit, for the SB. Big money will hate it, market wise.
Same

...It'll be a tight game....
Agree with this part. But I think the Chief's pull out the win. it's a 50/50 game though, at this point.

KC's D isn't gonna make Brady look like Hoyer. By the same token that Houston D is probably better than NE's right now. It's anybody's game.


Back to the Niners, not a horrible read. Some interesting thoughts and perspective. I don't agree with some of his personnel comments or the "outlook" at the end but not a complete waste of electrons and time
http://thebiglead.com/2016/01/15/co...-quickly-can-chip-kelly-win-in-san-francisco/
 
Back to the Niners, not a horrible read. Some interesting thoughts and perspective. I don't agree with some of his personnel comments or the "outlook" at the end but not a complete waste of electrons and time
http://thebiglead.com/2016/01/15/co...-quickly-can-chip-kelly-win-in-san-francisco/

Thanks for the link.

Is it me or is anyone else sick of Wilhoite being even considered as a starter at this point? I think Hodges will actually turn out to be a solid starter if not star over the next few seasons if given the opportunity.
 
What is worse, every single talking head in the media right now is swearing up and down that Kelly is the second coming of Crapernick, with Gabbert being left to whatever instead of being developed as the franchise guy.

Did you see the Niners have had Kaep merchandise on clearance sale discount for awhile now, but soon as they hired Kelly, the merchandise was not on clearance anymore? What does it all mean?
 
Thanks for the link.

Is it me or is anyone else sick of Wilhoite being even considered as a starter at this point? I think Hodges will actually turn out to be a solid starter if not star over the next few seasons if given the opportunity.

here's an even more interesting and intelligent take on the Niners / Kelly situation. no idea how on point this is but it brings up come intriguing info to chew over.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-francisco-just-did-coaching-philadelphia-nfl

Niners were in a serious bind with Wilhoite last year. previously he'd been a fill-in / veteran backup which is skill appropriate. they were reportedly shopping him for a trade last year and then Borland poped smoke for emergency evac :laughing

Agree re: Hodges.

In case it's not clear what I think the Niners need to prioritize from a personnel standpoint I think they should use #7 on the O-line, get A.Davis back from retirement, try to get Boone back, and bring in at least 1 legit starting o-lineman from FA.
 
I loved the Hodges trade. Any time you can get a starting caliber ILB for a castoff O-Lineman that's a huge win.
 
Joey Porter fined $10k:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/15/10745046/joey-porter-fine-coach-steelers-bengals-pacman-jones

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here's an even more interesting and intelligent take on the Niners / Kelly situation. no idea how on point this is but it brings up come intriguing info to chew over.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-francisco-just-did-coaching-philadelphia-nfl

Thanks again for the added read. I have to disagree with nearly half of what was written tho.

I think Kelly is a good coach. His tenure in Philly didn't fail because he's a bad coach. It failed because he's not ready to be an NFL GM.

Kaep is not a franchise QB. Yes, he had some spectacular games early in his career. But to paraphrase Eldy franchise NFL QB don't need to be running backs. They need to be able to effectively handle pre-snap reads, set in the pocket, and deliver the ball down field. Being able to run is secondary and bonus. If running is the highest talent a QB has then the peak of his career is going to be relatively short. And I'm in the camp that Kaep is past his prime with regard to running. His injuries aren't just because his line failed to protect him. He's not very durable for the NFL.

Players will be willing to come play for Kelly. Baalke just needs to make sure they're the right players. But can Baalke really pick the right ones? To me that's the bigger question. And I wish people would stop holding up what Baalke did in 2011 as some kind of sign of his greatness. All the moves in that year can be attributed to Scot McCloughan. He may not have pulled the trigger but he did the homework to set up the dominoes. He's that good. Eldy, Washington will be holding the NFC East firmly in it's grips if McCloughan stays in town for more than a few years. To me Baalke has been a middle-of-the-road GM. And he's made some huge errors. His inability to find a way to make it work with Harbs being the foremost.

But I think he and Kelly will get along. They'll find a way to make it work and produce a winning team. Maybe Jeddy-bear will be the grease that makes them mesh. And if they don't then all three of them will be out on their asses come this time next year.
 
All of that shitstorm's blame rests entirely on that ref who didn't throw a flag when porter walked into that defensive huddle.

Hilarious. Porter was standing there talking when the Bengals player walked up and rammed into Porter from behind. That's like, incredibly stupid. Total loss of composure by the Bengals.

Which is a shame, even with a backup QB they played well enough to win a playoff game.
 
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