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Tomahawk Tire Test

MeisI


Ok I just found out what the deal is. For the street compound tires you will get tires that are made out of the tires that are in stock most likely a Dunlop 208 because that's the most popular and the most available but it could me any modern sport bike tire. They will always have a label on the out side telling you what kind of tire it is and the front and back will always match.

If you order race tires you can specify the carcass. I thought it was for both street and race but its just for race tires.

There might be a little delay in your order. Tomahawk is changing all of their molds around. Its definitely for the better. You might get them sooner depending what they have in stock but it might be about 2 weeks.

Also in the future Tomahawk is going to remold your old tires. This way you know exactly what your riding on. You will send a set in and they will remold them with the rubber you want and send them back. It will probably take about 2 weeks so you might want to save your next old set of tires and send them in to get remolded.

Holeshot

I've been on Pirelli's in the afm. In practice I've been on Tomahawks. I've been using practice in the AFM as development time. Tomahawk usually send me one set with a new compound to test and they are usually worn by the time I need to race on them. I can't wait until I'm racing on them regularly.
 
Well I called them up just now to see if they were backordered for me. Guy on the phone said that they were infact back ordered, and expect them to be shipped as soon as later this week, and as late as early next week.

I asked again about carcass', more specifically which they were using majority of. He said mostly dunlop 208's, 204's (?), and metzlers. He even offered to let me put in a prefferance for which carcass I'd prefer. :thumbup.

So I guess I probably wont be able to mount them until the holiday weekend. we'll see how it goes.
 
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I would never buy retreads again, and I don't care what they are called. If your life is worth $150, then go for it. I've had them blow on me in cars. I'd be really curious to see what the speed rating is for these things.
 
Yes I read. Sounds like a distinction inwords. No offense intended, just giving my view. BTW, what is the speed rating?
 
enki said:
Yes I read. Sounds like a distinction inwords. No offense intended, just giving my view. BTW, what is the speed rating?
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Kind of like the difference between a rebuilt engine, and a recycled one (junk yard). Would you ever consider a rebuilt engine (bascially, you are building a new engine only using the old block)?
 
I checked with the Tomahawk website. Got this response:

ZR Rated 149+

Thanks,

Steve
 
Weird they would say that. Speed ratings are single letters.

ZR indicates it's a Z rated Radial tire.
 
There is no comparison between these and cheap car retreads. I talked with the Tomahawk guy at the San Mateo motorcycle show and I read up on the tire making process. Tomahawk's process is the same as when the tires are made new. The only difference is that they start with a previously used casing instead of a new one. I have ridden these tires for over 2,000 miles and they have no problem with speed runs or with sport riding on twisty roads. These tires feel and perform and hold up as well as any new sport tire.
 
Leonard

You are correct Tomahawks are made almost the same way a new tire is made. New tires are built up to what is called a core. After that the rubber that we ride on (tread for a lack of a better word) is put onto the core and then placed into a mold. The difference between a tomahawk and a new tire is that the rubber on a tomahawk is spun on in a thin strip of continues rubber that raps the tire and then get placed in the mold. I new tire is one big piece of rubber that is placed on the tire and then placed in the mold. Roadracing world did a article on how tomhawks are made a month or two ago. They had some good pictures.

I've been over 150 MPH on these tires lap after lap with no problems.

They are Z rated.
 
Well I cancelled my order...

I ordered them on the 20th, was told on the 21st, the operator said they didn't know and they'd call me back. No call that day, so i called back the next day only to find out that they were a little backorderd, and to expect them to ship either that friday or the following monday (prefectly acceptable, they were upfront honest, etc.).

I call the following tuesday for a tracking number. I called around 8:30 PST. The operator I talked to said she didn't know, but she'd call back asap. I come home from work to find that dispite 8 hours passing, no call back. I call them back to get an operator. They inform me that I was misinformed, and that the tires wouldn't be ready until at least mid July. I then told them to cancil my order.

I cancelled for the following reasons:
-I need tires... there is a forgen object embedded in my rear, and it needs to be replaced
-When I first ordered them, I got an invoice for $130 total. A week later I get a new invoice for ~$160. Aparently they didn't charge me for tax or shipping the first time around... Wouldn't have minded if I was informed of this while I was ordering, not after I had already ordered.
-Cheapest place to get tires mounted/balanced off the bike was $20 per tire. Thus, upping the total cost to ~$200+.
-Poor customer service. Although they did actually take down my request to have a 208 carcass (which showed up in my invoice), but they also didn't call me back twice and return my email. I understand that they are in a busy time, but you're not going to stay busy long if you cannot keep customers somewhat happy.

Tomorrow I'm headed to the SuperTireGuy, who when I called told me he had both Dunlops and Pirelli's in stock. For $50 extra, I'll go w/ him this time around. I need the tires that bad, and in around 3,000-5,000 miles I'll give tomahawk another shot.

edit because I suck at spelling...
 
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MeisI,

That sucks.. I need new tires too, and was/am considering Tomahawks. Would probably be worth it if it wasn't for all that hassle. I think you mean cancel/cancelled, by the way..
 
Sorry to here about that. Tomahawk shut down and was retooling all of their molds. I do not know why they did not just tell people that. They stopped building tires for about a month. They are now building them in double shifts. The next time your order tires please contact me and I will get you set up. My number is 925-383-7438.
 
I'm going to be ordering a set of these probably next week.

Do you know if Tomahawk would cut a deal for a BARFer group buy? I'm sure that there others that would give them a shot for an "intro deal" for barfers.
 
Wouldn't a group buy be really messy for the company with all the different core/rubber people want?

Sounds like the ordering process is very labor intensive (on the company's part) and the more people-processing is required, the more that can go wrong. I'm just judging the labor intensive part from the post MeisI posted. Sounds like this is one of those companies that use operators who are disconnected from the business and customer service. The operators are there to just take orders. I hope I'm wrong.
 
Well, I still have about half my life on my BT 014's, so it will be a while (about another 3500 miles).
 
The people that answer the phones at tomahawk are located about 50 feet away from where the tires are made.

If barfers are interested in tires at a discount I will give them a discount directly. My number is 925-383-7438. Also the www.supertireguy.com in San Francisco has been set up as a dealer and will have them in stock. They have slicks right now. I will try to post the new Tomahawk Supersport dot tires soon. The tread pattern is very cool.
 
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gman19 said:
The people that answer the phones at tomahawk are located about 50 feet away from where the tires are made.
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gman, I didn't mean physically disconnected. Some companies have operators that don't give a crap about what the company does nor they care what the customer needs / asking for. All day they just answer phone and take down request without really understanding the content. Dennis Kirk comes to mind.
 
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