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Toyota problems could be electronics

Sonny, it's all currently sold stuff, unless it's undergone a major revision. So yeah...the same Evo they still sell. And the same Cobalt SS they do not sell (which is a bad ass car for $13K used).
 
Cobalt SS was pretty potent. More importantly, it's Ecotec engine. 260hp right off the showroom floor. Another 40 with a dealer endorsed reflash. 300hp out of 2.0 liters...durable enough that GM backed it with a 100k powertrain warranty. No wonder Fisker uses that engine in the Karma.
 
Seriously...the V6 Mustang used to be a pile. Of course, that was the 3.8L days. Those days are long gone and anyone that doesn't think that "little V6" is a serious contender is simply crazy or honestly has never driven the damn thing. I'd rather keep the low entry price of the V6 Mustang and spend the rest on suspension and tune-up bits than dump it all on a $50,000 Vette that honestly doesn't really perform that much more strongly in a corner anyway without much work (Lingenfelter, etc). I'm in a hotel tonight and the internet sucks so suffice it to say that a short youtube/internet search will net you the answers you're seeking if you don't believe what I'm telling you.
 
Just count the days till the all new Mustang comes out. If they can shed a few hundred pounds and get a proper IRS setup...with the powertrain choices they have already...Mustang is going to be an amazing bargain.
 
TheRobSJ said:
But I will say Toyota does have one standout that has good performance for what it was designed for. The FJ cruiser. Not too practical since it gets shit mileage, but damn. One of my service writers just got some special edition one that's solid red paint with black wheels and trim...that is a neat looking rig. Wouldn't mind having it myself.
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Got one. It's a semi retro styling exercise generic computerized shit box seemingly with a hole in the gas tank. Doesn't do anything well but rides nice with the big tire diameters tho. Drive your writers and you'll see what I mean. Oh yeah, it has the nifty locking diff (way undersized) that I used once in 4 years to try it and is a weak spot that goes bang. Tell your writer to change the diff lube to some uber synthetic (IIRC ~6 quarts) in 10,000 miles.

*Put a switch in the blue/yellow wire by the master cyl to disable the nanny ABS and VSC and it is a bit better.
 
Kornholio said:
Considering the Camaro is a sales flop...again...I'm not surprised.
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Camaro outsold Mustang last year. Something like 80k vs. 70k.

When the Camaro and Firebird went "on a break" a decade ago, Mustang was outselling Camaro 4:1 even though Mustang lost in the all too important straight line acceleration test.

The new 5.0 beats the Camaro SS in pretty much every performance measurement. Especially in trunk space and visibility. And Mustang had the Boss and Shelby to help bolster sales. But. The Camaro just has something to close more deals.
 
frozenduc said:
Got one. It's a semi retro styling exercise generic computerized shit box seemingly with a hole in the gas tank. Doesn't do anything well but rides nice with the big tire diameters tho. Drive your writers and you'll see what I mean. Oh yeah, it has the nifty locking diff (way undersized) that I used once in 4 years to try it and is a weak spot that goes bang. Tell your writer to change the diff lube to some uber synthetic (IIRC ~6 quarts) in 10,000 miles.

*Put a switch in the blue/yellow wire by the master cyl to disable the nanny ABS and VSC and it is a bit better.
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Yeah she tells me it rides really well despite the TRD off road suspension. She just got it because it's cool looking, don't think she's going to really do much wheeling with it so the diff lock will never even be used. But I'll pass on the bit about the diff lube though.
 
I've driven a Mustang Laguna Seca at Thill.

Yes, the argument works both ways, but only one of us has personal experience. You're getting caught up in your own arguement(s). Re: brand loyalty, and actually driving the cars in question.
 
Enchanter said:
I've driven a Mustang Laguna Seca at Thill.

Yes, the argument works both ways, but only one of us has personal experience. You're getting caught up in your own arguement(s). Re: brand loyalty, and actually driving the cars in question.
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You're assuming I've never driven the new V6 Mustang, yes? You'd be wrong. And again, the car has been tested and proven by professionals. Their data can't be disputed like my opinion. And what brand loyalty? I've owned ONE Mustang in my entire life and it was anemic at best...but hey it sounded good and the ladies loved it. :laughing

At the time I bought my GT, purists did not by the LX model...period. Today, that's just not the case anymore. What's sad is that my GT had 40 less horsepower stock than the new V6 has. That's just sad, really.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Cobalt SS was pretty potent. More importantly, it's Ecotec engine. 260hp right off the showroom floor. Another 40 with a dealer endorsed reflash. 300hp out of 2.0 liters...durable enough that GM backed it with a 100k powertrain warranty. No wonder Fisker uses that engine in the Karma.
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It was a hardware and software upgrade. A friend owned and modified one. It was impressive before AND after the mod. A true sleeper. The stock launch control, and no-lift-shift were gravy. In the end, the $ saved wasn't enough to make me deal with FWD on the track. I want a more forgiving car. Now if I found a salvaged title one for $5k, I'd seriously consider it.
 
Are you boys seriously arguing that a V6 Mustang is close in performance to a C6?

Really?
 
I thought we agreed that it's apples and oranges earlier. :dunno I'd rather compare it to the FR-S...keeps the thread on topic anyway.
 
tzrider said:
Sounded to me like he thinks you probably haven't driven a C6.
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I have not. But he hasn't driven a 2011+ V6 Mustang either. That was the point I was making.

...mod hat on

Now lets not drag this out anymore. On topic, please!

...mod hat off. :later



:laughing
 
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