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Wikileaks blocked?

afm199 said:
It's a great event. Why? Every government lies and hides the lies. Then they lie again and tell us what actions they are taking to deal with the previous lies. After awhile it's just a concatenation of lies based on keeping the people in power in power. They've built and run a kingdom of lies and believe that if their stewardship is taken away, the kingdom will collapse. Which it will, but that's a comment on their stewardship.

Most of you are too young to remember the Vietnam war and the immense government deceptions, starting with the Gulf of Tonkin incident, a non incident that was the excuse for bringing in troops, and working through lying press releases about CIA stooge Vietnamese leaders, body counts, and a myriad of other lies. The ONLY press that told what was really happening then was IF Stone's weekly and the Christian Science Monitor. Everyone else ate up the government lies and published them glowing comments. We were told fifty times that the body counts assured the war would be over in six month and the Vietnamese attacked us in the Gulf on Tonkin and we had to respond. All lies. The leaders in Vietnam that we supported were even more corrupt, if that is possible, than the current Afghan and Iraqi leaders.

The US government may need to tell a few lies to do diplomacy, but they lie constantly and totally. You can believe almost nothing that comes from Washington, it's a shell of deceit with a beautiful frosting of truth.
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Interesting point but what were some of the huge lies found that our government has been telling us in the current wikileaks of US diplomatic cable leaks?
 
kevin 714 said:
aparently wikileaks claims to have serious damaging stuff on a major usa bank, as well as some very serious stuff on russia.

they also claimed in a frobes interview to have something they will release in 2011(once thyey verify it all) that will change world history
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I see some polonium-210 poisoning in Assanges future.:laughing
 
Has anyone actually been surprised by the leaks so far though? I mean mostly for me it just affirmed a lot of the stuff that I just assumed was going on.
 
I was pleasantly surprised by China's attitude towards the DPRK.

Steve
 
Mr.Furious said:
Has anyone actually been surprised by the leaks so far though? I mean mostly for me it just affirmed a lot of the stuff that I just assumed was going on.
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No not really. Someone would really had to of swallowed some potent "kool-aid" to not realize that North Korea is indeed a threat to the stability of that region of the world or that they were/are not selling nuke secrets and thus aiding the proliferation of nuclear weapons technology to other nations willing to pay them enough money despite UN bribes...I mean aid.

Iran - Well lets say that for all the anti-Israel crap they spew it was kind of funny that the surrounding Arab nations were asking us to take them out. Then again I bet that this knowledge being verified by leaked US diplomatic cables has caused them to further hunker down into a bunker like mentality.

There were a few other meaningless items that came as no surprise like Putin having a "Alpha" type personality, Europe as whole being viewed as a irrelevant part of the world to Obama , China open to seeing South Korea being the one that unifies the Korean Peninsula (frankly they'd bring in more $$$ and stability to the region if they took over from the North it were to fall) etc..
 
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Honnestly, this could be a huge disinformation farce.

I dont believe it, and i dont not believe it.
 
gixxerjoeca said:
I see some polonium-210 poisoning in Assanges future.:laughing
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even then the cats already out of the bag. its only a matter of time before it comes out.

what I like about all this is that a few people have major countries very upset and very annoyed. its empowerin to the average joe. the information age has brought with it the ability for governments to be exposed much easier, and much harder to hide things
 
gixxerjoeca said:
I agree with your statement, nothing really shocking at all. Im kinda dissapointed that nothing really juicy has come out.:(
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Yup I am eagerly awaiting the rest, why is wikileaks going so damn slow in its release even though they supposedly already released the whole cache to newspapers and other journalists?
 
kevin 714 said:
aparently wikileaks claims to have serious damaging stuff on a major usa bank, as well as some very serious stuff on russia.

they also claimed in a frobes interview to have something they will release in 2011(once thyey verify it all) that will change world history
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LOL

They should release the damaging stuff on Russia. Julian will very quickly learn some people are not to be fucked with. He'll get the radioactive pointy umbrella treatment.
 
MtnRacer said:
I was pleasantly surprised by China's attitude towards the DPRK.

Steve
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China makes $ on South Korea, North Korea is...? Probably just something they keep around to fuck with the US and Japan. That's only useful to a point.
 
Mr.Furious said:
Yup I am eagerly awaiting the rest, why is wikileaks going so damn slow in its release even though they supposedly already released the whole cache to newspapers and other journalists?
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It takes awhile cause they, unlike most usa journalists, actually go through and verify their sources, and the authenticity of the reports.

on forbes I think, julian was saying they have hundreds of throusands of documents to go over
 
Aluisious said:
LOL

They should release the damaging stuff on Russia. Julian will very quickly learn some people are not to be fucked with. He'll get the radioactive pointy umbrella treatment.
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The one thing i think, is that as he has now become a face to the whole thing, people know him and hes quite high profile, its alot harder to kill him.

we will see. but maybe theres a chance he is actually aware of his danger and still goes through with this all


EDIT, found this in an interview. sounds like he is aware of the danger

Do you think that the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative [a series of bills to make Iceland the most free-speech and whistleblower-protective country in the world] would make it easier to do this right if it passes?

Not at the highest level. We deal with organizations that do not obey the rule of law. So laws don’t matter.

Intelligence agencies keep things secret because they often violate the rule of law or of good behavior.
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Putin on Larry King live, on CNN, talking about wikileaks, and it's fallout on US, and afghanistan and comparison to the USA vs USSR occupation.

interesting.
 
Aluisious said:
They should release the damaging stuff on Russia. Julian will very quickly learn some people are not to be fucked with. He'll get the radioactive pointy umbrella treatment.
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There are probably already plenty of people who would like to rattle a bullet around in his skull.
 
kevin 714 said:
It takes awhile cause they, unlike most usa journalists, actually go through and verify their sources, and the authenticity of the reports.

on forbes I think, julian was saying they have hundreds of throusands of documents to go over
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Verify their sources.... if it truly is pfc manning who gave it all to them and the government is sweating as bad as the media portrays them to be, then forget that bs and just publish faster. Plus if they already gave the documents to other news sources than share it with the rest of us. Hell I will even take some exaggeration at this point.
 
I am surprised about how many on here wish Mr Assange ill.

Kinda shows how global the thinking really is, in a world were a country's sense of economic independence is just an illusion.
 
The taking / being forced to take sides continues:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703377504575651321402763304.html
By GEOFFREY A. FOWLER

Amazon.com Inc. stopped hosting WikiLeaks from its Web servers this week because the controversial group violated its terms of service, the Internet company said.
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It was "inaccurate" to claim that pressure from the U.S. government or large-scale attacks by hackers caused the company to discontinue its service of WikiLeaks, said Amazon spokesman Drew Herdener in a statement,

Amazon, which rents Web infrastructure on a self-service basis, "does not pre-screen its customers" but does reserve the right to discontinue service if its terms aren't followed, said Mr. Herdener.
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WikiLeaks "doesn't own or otherwise control all the rights to this classified content," one of the stipulations of Amazon's contractual terms, he said.

Mr. Herdener said that Amazon's terms of service also require that content "will not cause injury to any person or entity." Yet he said "it is not credible that the extraordinary volume of 250,000 classified documents that WikiLeaks is publishing could have been carefully redacted in such a way as to ensure that they weren't putting innocent people in jeopardy."

Mr. Herdener said Amazon did face "large-scale" attacks on its servers after it began hosting WikiLeaks content recently, but that they were "successfully defended against."

Write to Geoffrey A. Fowler at geoffrey.fowler@wsj.com
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Amazon's explanation seems reasonable. WikiLeaks didn't own rights to the documents.

:shrug
 
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