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Wikileaks blocked?

i thought amazon's response was well written, and i'm glad they addressed the issue
 
m_asim said:
Amazon's explanation seems reasonable. WikiLeaks didn't own rights to the documents.

:shrug
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Slippery slope. When whistleblowers can no longer leak stuff ( Remember the Pentagon Papers?) the point of a free and unfettered press pretty much is nullified. Do you TRUST your government to tell the truth?
 
m_asim said:
Amazon's explanation seems reasonable. WikiLeaks didn't own rights to the documents.

:shrug
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They don't have to.

Any work of a US government employee, in the scope of their duties, is not eligible for copyright protection in the US. Since it would be hosted by Amazon in the US, it's not actually a violation of their AUP.

Sounds to me like it's a thin excuse they cooked up after the fact. Amazon caved.
 
Marlowe said:
They don't have to.

Any work of a US government employee, in the scope of their duties, is not eligible for copyright protection in the US. Since it would be hosted by Amazon in the US, it's not actually a violation of their AUP.

Sounds to me like it's a thin excuse they cooked up after the fact. Amazon caved.
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this. amazon is prob run by fgt mods
 
Seriously this is getting ridiculous... makes me want to read the rest even more.
 
freedom of the press...the fight is on RIGHT NOW>

do people actually believe in it, or is it just something to say, but no one is willing to stand up for
 
Assange arrested in London on Swedish warrant

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/07/uk.wikileaks.investigation/index.html?hpt=T1

By the CNN Wire Staff
December 7, 2010 7:42 a.m. EST

London (CNN) -- WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was arrested Tuesday on a Swedish warrant, London's Metropolitan Police said.
Assange was arrested at a London police station at 9:30 a.m. and will appear at the City of Westminster Magistrate's Court at 2 p.m., police said.
Swedish authorities had issued the warrant for Assange so they can talk to him about sex-crime allegations unrelated to WikiLeaks' recent disclosure of secret U.S. documents.
At court, Assange will be able to respond to the arrest warrant, and the court will then have roughly 21 days to decide whether to extradite him, said Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.
Even though the Swedish warrant is a European arrest warrant designed for easy transfer of suspects among European states, Assange may still choose to fight it -- something his London lawyer has promised to do, according to the Press Association.

If the court does decide to allow his extradition, Assange will be allowed to appeal that decision, too, elongating the legal process, Ellis said.
Assange, a 39-year-old Australian, has said he has long feared retribution for his website's disclosures and has called the rape allegations against him a smear campaign.
The secret life of Julian Assange
Sweden first issued the arrest warrant for Assange in November, saying he is suspected of one count of rape, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of unlawful coercion -- or illegal use of force -- allegedly committed in August.
Last week, at the request of Sweden's Stockholm Criminal Court, Interpol issued a "red notice" placing Assange on a list of wanted suspects.
A spokesman for WikiLeaks said Tuesday the legal proceedings in London had not affected the site, which facilitates the anonymous leaking of secret information.
"WikiLeaks is operating as normal, and we plan to release documents on schedule," spokesman Kristinn Hrafnson said.
WikiLeaks has been under intense pressure from the United States and its allies since it began posting the first of more than 250,000 U.S. State Department documents November 28.
Since then, the site has been hit with denial-of-service attacks, been kicked off servers in the United States and France, and found itself cut off from funds in the United States and Switzerland.
In response, the site has rallied supporters to mirror its content "in order to make it impossible to ever fully remove WikiLeaks from the internet," with more than 500 sites responding to the appeal by Monday evening, it said.
WikiLeaks has also posted a massive, closely encrypted file, identified as "insurance" -- a file Assange's lawyer has described as a "thermonuclear device." Assange has said the more than 100,000 people who have downloaded the file will receive the key to decoding it should anything happen to him or should the site be taken down.
"The insurance file will only be activated in the gravest of circumstances if WikiLeaks is no longer operational," Hrafnson said.
Ira Winkler, a former National Security Agency analyst, said the file is nearly impossible to decode without the key.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said he has authorized "significant" actions related to a criminal investigation of WikiLeaks, saying U.S. national security has been put at risk.
"We are doing everything that we can," Holder said Monday, though he declined to answer questions about the possibility that the U.S. government could shut down WikiLeaks.
British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the leaked information is also a danger to British national security, calling the leaks "reprehensible" and "irresponsible."
"Governments have to be able to transmit confidential information, to share confidential information, of course, for them to be able to go about their job," Hague told CNN affiliate ITN. "We think it can be a danger to our national security."
Holder also refused to say whether the actions involved search warrants or requests under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which authorizes wiretaps or other means, describing them only as "significant."
Asked Tuesday in Afghanistan for his response to the arrest, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said, "I haven't heard that, but it sounds like good news to me."
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national security national security
it's all they ever blame, and it immediately gives them powers beyond any scope of the law...based on national security. lame.
makes me want to read more.

sadly, any wagers about his demise, while in custody?
 
machete said:
national security national security
it's all they ever blame, and it immediately gives them powers beyond any scope of the law...based on national security. lame.
makes me want to read more.

sadly, any wagers about his demise, while in custody?
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I'm sure that won't happen. He'll be shot AFTER he's escaped.:laughing
 
kevin 714 said:
freedom of the press...the fight is on RIGHT NOW>

do people actually believe in it, or is it just something to say, but no one is willing to stand up for
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Freedom of the press to publish a list of foreign sites vital to national security?

Fuck this wikileaks guy.
 
sandyxb said:
I am surprised about how many on here wish Mr Assange ill.

Kinda shows how global the thinking really is, in a world were a country's sense of economic independence is just an illusion.
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I think Assange works against himself.

In his interviews he comes out cocky quite often. What's there to like?

Under his leadership Wikileaks has transfromed from an organization that was unmasking truth into an anti-U.S. group. I am sorry, but the latest release of strategic points does solves no problems and helps nobody. Let's put it this way: There is a fine line between showing a video where innocent people are killed and releasing a ton of political mumbo-jumbo that may jeopardize diplomatic relationships.

But you're right -- nobody wants to give up bread and circuses. International crime lords go unpunished but Mr. Assange is on the top 10 Interpol's most wanted because he is sought as a witness in Sweden; he has not been charged with a crime officially. Now that's interesting :(
 
vman said:
I think Assange works against himself.

In his interviews he comes out cocky quite often. What's there to like?

Under his leadership Wikileaks has transfromed from an organization that was unmasking truth into an anti-U.S. group. I am sorry, but the latest release of strategic points does solves no problems and helps nobody. Let's put it this way: There is a fine line between showing a video where innocent people are killed and releasing a ton of political mumbo-jumbo that may jeopardize diplomatic relationships.

But you're right -- nobody wants to give up bread and circuses. International crime lords go unpunished but Mr. Assange is on the top 10 Interpol's most wanted because he is sought as a witness in Sweden; he has not been charged with a crime officially. Now that's interesting :(
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John Adams defended British soldiers accused of murder (Boston Massacre).

I don't have to like someone, but when they stand for what they believe in, I have to give them props.

Either one believes in one's principles or not. The character of the messenger does not necessarily infuse the message.
 
Strategic points?

Cable landing stations are well known and documented on tons of charts...not to mention easy to identify.

That release was nothing, stop buying the hype...
 
Marlowe said:
Strategic points?

Cable landing stations are well known and documented on tons of charts...not to mention easy to identify.

That release was nothing, stop buying the hype...
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I completely agree with this. From what I've seen the list of super secret stuff was a compilation of things that would have been obvious to anyone in the areas if they looked around and tried to find some targets.

I'm sure the average joe in the Bay Area could probably post a dozen or more without any effort if asked. We have bridges, ports, tunnels, refineries, power lines, dams, banks, universities, the Myth Busters studio...

The stuff this guy is exposing is about as secret as the notes passed in most high school classes, and the fact that it's been released is nothing except embarrassing.

If anything, some good might come out of it. Maybe we should be spending more time securing some of the stuff in our back yards instead of setting up invasive searches at air ports. Maybe we should be embarrassed that our 'secrets' were so easy to expose.

Those are legitimate questions people should be asking instead of letting themselves be stirred up about some Euro trash egomaniac who screwed a couple of Swedish chicks.
 
Marlowe said:
Strategic points?

Cable landing stations are well known and documented on tons of charts...not to mention easy to identify.

That release was nothing, stop buying the hype...
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When you fight for something, you have to sell your cause to others if you want to generate more support. While the latest release of the strategic point may be nothing -- or something you could get out of Wikipedia -- it totally misses the point because it absolutely adds no value to uncovering the truth. All it does is fuels the rage of the unwashed masses who now associate Wikileaks with terrorism. That's why Mr. Assange is not well liked by many and that's why corporate support for Wikileaks has been non-existent.

P.S.: Are you telling me that Wikileaks does not have better, more interesting, information?
 
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