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95 mpg

yeah a :twofinger woulda helped


I gues that i figured that suggestion of a "race" on a windy road between a beater civic and Volt woulda been a clear enough tip off :rofl
 
SpeedyCorky said:
yeah a :twofinger woulda helped


I gues that i figured that suggestion of a "race" on a windy road between a beater civic and Volt woulda been a clear enough tip off :rofl
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As ridiculous as it is, I have people in cars like that challenge me in the Z06. So I thought you were serial.
 
OK, so now I know there's special rates for electric vehicles. I'm not quite sure why none of the EV manufacturers advertise this. Thanks for the heads-up.

With that said, PG&E currently offers a few different options.

1) E-1 Standard Residential rates
This would be the tiered rate schedule as I posted earlier. Charge anytime, no issues with Time-Of-Use (TOU).

2) E-9A Electric Vehicle rates (will be phased out shortly)
This is using the same meter that's currently on your house, no additional PG&E fees for a second meter hookup. Rates are TOU, seasonal, and tiered. It's lowest rate is $0.04/kWh (this is the rate being tossed out there), but rises dramatically during peak hours and usage tiers. A good plan for those who can charge off-peak and also consume on the lower end of the tiers (because vehicle usage is combined with your normal house demands). For new customers, this rate schedule will be phased out this spring/summer.

3) E-9B Electric Vehicle rates (will be phased out shortly)
This requires a one-time $250 fee (not a monthly fee per TheRobSJ) to add a second meter to your residence, to be used for monitoring vehicle charges only. Rates are TOU, seasonal, and tiered. It's lowest rate is in the $0.04/kWh range, but rises dramatically during peak hours and usage tiers. Rates for your house will remain the same as it always has. Some say this second meter is a gateway for assessing Road Tax that is not currently paid. This is a good alternate plan for those who charge on peak, or consume higher amounts of energy where this separate meter gives you full use of a new base energy allocation. For new customers, this rate schedule will be phased out this spring/summer.

4) Schedule EV (The new standard)
Same as the above E-9a and E-9B, but without the tiered usage factor, so your low usage $0.04/kWh rate will disappear. This means use as much as you like at the new proposed rate of $0.10/kWh. Remember that the TOU rates still applies though.

These are links I used to piece together:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/show...(N-Cal-)/page3?p=166737&viewfull=1#post166737
http://www.pge.com/myhome/environment/whatyoucando/electricdrivevehicles/rateoptions/
http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-9.pdf

I like reading posts like TheRobSJ's http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7785795&postcount=339 I think he clearly outlines his thought process regarding his choice of one vehicle over another, even acknowledging that buying any new car for the sake of saving money alone is not a winning hand.

I'm getting into this topic because I am considering an electric vehicle. With a commute of just 11 miles, I can get to work plus do errands on a single charge.
I'd love a get another torque heavy vehicle, but my fully functional 42MPG TDI, does the job for now.
 
Oh it's only a one time fee of $250? Well that's much better. If you've got some crazy high power bill every month which constantly puts you in the high tiers, then that E-9B plan makes sense. But irrelevant now since they're phasing out the E-9 plans. I'll have to ask my dad if he gets to grandfather his E-9A plan or if PG&E will convert him to the EV plan.

I think the manufacturers don't really play up these plans is because it depends on the utility. And maybe not enough of them offer it? PG&E offers it, but Silicon Valley Power (my electric utility in Santa Clara) doesn't.
 
it's less expensive to fuel because the State hasn't gotten their mitts around how to tax it properly yet.

Once there is enough saturation, like Oregon's new tax in the works, the State will figure any "savings" is money belonging to them and will raise the cost of operation to match what the pocketbook can bear, as the price of gas does now.

remember when "free" veggie oil was gonna be the wave of the future? until it became commonplace enough that now you cannot get "free" oil because it's now treated as a poisonous waste and can only be recycled by "approved" contractors.

So you can't correctly say that the cost of operation will not be artifically, drastically increased. And at some point the tax breaks and incentives will be cut.

Anyone factoring that in to their calculations yet?

those if you with the means to play early adopter? You're welcome, for the subsidies we're all paying :p
 
PSA: the plug in Accord went on sale last week. Wheels look a little stupid but the rest of the car looks nice.

Pro: charges very fast even on 120v
Con: less than 20 mile EV range

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^^^^ huh?!?!?

a 4 door, 3500+lb "hybrid" that goes all of 20 miles.

like seriously, are the auto makers just trolling us? 20 miles? 20 miles?

why even bother?!
reminds me of the Lexus "hybrid" that came out a few years ago. V8 ICE engine, oh yeah, and it also has some laughable electric motor - but hey you can drive in the car pool lane now cuz its a "Hybrid"! :rolleyes
 
JesasaurusRex said:
cant we just all agree that having a hybrid car is gay and that having an electric car is even gayer?
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I can totally agree on that too!

SpeedyCorky said:
oh and i think we forgot to mention the getting laid part: the civic wont do that for ya. tho i dunno how a Volt would do, being its agreed to be so ghey - but chicks like new fancypants stuff, so your chances are likely better with the Volt, than my stripped down civic. good thing i got that base covered already w/ Violet :leghump
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NO car gets anyone laid...I've always had to use other tactics/ skills to get there and frankly, the cars always turned into an impediment...and they were all the kind of cars that people would think would get a guy laid. The truth is, either I picked girls who didn't care about cars/ money/ image or the cars turned them off, which seemed to be the case. It got the point where I'd NOT tell them what I was driving at the time...same thing for the bikes: I never told girls I rode a bike nor raced...it seemed to be the death cry many times. It's just not as cool to girls as you think...on the other hand, it just forced me to make good with looks/ personality or whatever was working on them. Cars...never really worked that well, unless you introduced it later, slowly.

So yeah, a Volt won't get you laid unless it's with a hairy legged hippie dirtbag, which ain't my thang. But who needs the crutch of a car anyway? I can buy a shit ton of Sherri's Berries with the money I save...and what chick doesn't like Chocolate covered strawberries?
 
SpeedyCorky said:
^^^^ huh?!?!?

a 4 door, 3500+lb "hybrid" that goes all of 20 miles.

like seriously, are the auto makers just trolling us? 20 miles? 20 miles?

why even bother?!
reminds me of the Lexus "hybrid" that came out a few years ago. V8 ICE engine, oh yeah, and it also has some laughable electric motor - but hey you can drive in the car pool lane now cuz its a "Hybrid"! :rolleyes
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According to this (found on a quick google search, not vouching for accuracy), 51% of Americans commute ten miles or less, one way, meaning they could go home-work-home without having to use any gasoline. Another 27% commute 10-20 miles one way, meaning if they can recharge at work, they still don't need to use any gas for commuting. I'm pretty sure Honda did a shitton of market research to figure out what kind of electric range they needed to be able to achieve for their target market... and if you don't fall into that target market, well, there's no need to call others stupid for buying that car, when they were the ones smart enough to choose to work close to where they live (or vice versa)!
 
sckego said:
According to this (found on a quick google search, not vouching for accuracy), 51% of Americans commute ten miles or less, one way, meaning they could go home-work-home without having to use any gasoline. Another 27% commute 10-20 miles one way, meaning if they can recharge at work, they still don't need to use any gas for commuting. I'm pretty sure Honda did a shitton of market research to figure out what kind of electric range they needed to be able to achieve for their target market... and if you don't fall into that target market, well, there's no need to call others stupid for buying that car, when they were the ones smart enough to choose to work close to where they live (or vice versa)!
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Doesn't appear he checks his statements (the Lexus Hybrid/V8 isn't on the HOV ok list as he stated) with any research so vouching for accuracy certainly isn't a requirement.... :laughing
 
250mL said:
OK, so now I know there's special rates for electric vehicles. I'm not quite sure why none of the EV manufacturers advertise this. Thanks for the heads-up.

With that said, PG&E currently offers a few different options.

1) E-1 Standard Residential rates
This would be the tiered rate schedule as I posted earlier. Charge anytime, no issues with Time-Of-Use (TOU).

2) E-9A Electric Vehicle rates (will be phased out shortly)
This is using the same meter that's currently on your house, no additional PG&E fees for a second meter hookup. Rates are TOU, seasonal, and tiered. It's lowest rate is $0.04/kWh (this is the rate being tossed out there), but rises dramatically during peak hours and usage tiers. A good plan for those who can charge off-peak and also consume on the lower end of the tiers (because vehicle usage is combined with your normal house demands). For new customers, this rate schedule will be phased out this spring/summer.

3) E-9B Electric Vehicle rates (will be phased out shortly)
This requires a one-time $250 fee (not a monthly fee per TheRobSJ) to add a second meter to your residence, to be used for monitoring vehicle charges only. Rates are TOU, seasonal, and tiered. It's lowest rate is in the $0.04/kWh range, but rises dramatically during peak hours and usage tiers. Rates for your house will remain the same as it always has. Some say this second meter is a gateway for assessing Road Tax that is not currently paid. This is a good alternate plan for those who charge on peak, or consume higher amounts of energy where this separate meter gives you full use of a new base energy allocation. For new customers, this rate schedule will be phased out this spring/summer.

4) Schedule EV (The new standard)
Same as the above E-9a and E-9B, but without the tiered usage factor, so your low usage $0.04/kWh rate will disappear. This means use as much as you like at the new proposed rate of $0.10/kWh. Remember that the TOU rates still applies though.

These are links I used to piece together:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/show...(N-Cal-)/page3?p=166737&viewfull=1#post166737
http://www.pge.com/myhome/environment/whatyoucando/electricdrivevehicles/rateoptions/
http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-9.pdf

I like reading posts like TheRobSJ's http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7785795&postcount=339 I think he clearly outlines his thought process regarding his choice of one vehicle over another, even acknowledging that buying any new car for the sake of saving money alone is not a winning hand.

I'm getting into this topic because I am considering an electric vehicle. With a commute of just 11 miles, I can get to work plus do errands on a single charge.
I'd love a get another torque heavy vehicle, but my fully functional 42MPG TDI, does the job for now.
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Using your daily 11 mile commute, at 5 days a week 52 days a year. Your current 42mpg german honda , 4 dollars per gallon of fuel, you spend $23 dollars a month on fuel....why in the world do you care about getting an electric vehicle?

Holeshot said:
NO car gets anyone laid...I've always had to use other tactics/ skills to get there and frankly, the cars always turned into an impediment...and they were all the kind of cars that people would think would get a guy laid. The truth is, either I picked girls who didn't care about cars/ money/ image or the cars turned them off, which seemed to be the case. It got the point where I'd NOT tell them what I was driving at the time...same thing for the bikes: I never told girls I rode a bike nor raced...it seemed to be the death cry many times. It's just not as cool to girls as you think...on the other hand, it just forced me to make good with looks/ personality or whatever was working on them. Cars...never really worked that well, unless you introduced it later, slowly.

So yeah, a Volt won't get you laid unless it's with a hairy legged hippie dirtbag, which ain't my thang. But who needs the crutch of a car anyway? I can buy a shit ton of Sherri's Berries with the money I save...and what chick doesn't like Chocolate covered strawberries?
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You've obviously never owned an IROC :twofinger

sckego said:
According to this (found on a quick google search, not vouching for accuracy), 51% of Americans commute ten miles or less, one way, meaning they could go home-work-home without having to use any gasoline. Another 27% commute 10-20 miles one way, meaning if they can recharge at work, they still don't need to use any gas for commuting. I'm pretty sure Honda did a shitton of market research to figure out what kind of electric range they needed to be able to achieve for their target market... and if you don't fall into that target market, well, there's no need to call others stupid for buying that car, when they were the ones smart enough to choose to work close to where they live (or vice versa)!
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The point is, if your commute is so short, where exactly are you saving money?
 
Johndicezx9 said:
Doesn't appear he checks his statements (the Lexus Hybrid/V8 isn't on the HOV ok list as he stated) with any research so vouching for accuracy certainly isn't a requirement.... :laughing
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IIIRC, when that Lexus came out, it was allowed in the carpool lane. just going off of what i remember. no i dont google search everything before i post of barf :roll eyes


and reguardless if "51% of americans commute X distance or less", 20miles on a single charge is past a joke or a troll - its insulting. and as jesrex says, if your commute it short, how are you going to make your money back by going electric or hybrid? seems like the only reason that i can come up with to buy one is to make you feel smug. just go buy a Prius and be done with it. :laughing
 
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JesasaurusRex said:
The point is, if your commute is so short, where exactly are you saving money?
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It's funny, we forget to run the numbers on some of this stuff. I'm starting to look for a truck and was turned off by the cost of a diesel, but noticed you can pick up the gas V10s for cheap. Driving 10k/yr (I'm not a mileage murderer) with the 10mpg (combined) V10 @ $3.50/gl versus the 15mpg (combined) 7.3 Powerstroke @ $4/gl, turns out to be a difference of $16/wk. If I spend an extra $5k for a diesel (probably more) on the used market, it'd take six years before the diesel savings would be realized. Obviously there are other factors like towing, longevity, etc. that play into the overall decision, but it's worth analyzing if one thinks the purchase is for the savings.

Here's a simple little calculator/comparison site if anyone is interested:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/savemoney.shtml
 
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