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AFM make up race weekend choices
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LongGoneJohn
Gone
Good post Rob, with that stuff in mind it would appear as though Buttonwillow would be the smart choice, assuming a reasonable amount of people showed.
Another question to be asked: What races would be "made up?" The entire missed weekend, including Clubman? Or just the expert races? This probably hasn't been discussed yet, but it would influence -- or may -- some peoples decision as well.
Another question to be asked: What races would be "made up?" The entire missed weekend, including Clubman? Or just the expert races? This probably hasn't been discussed yet, but it would influence -- or may -- some peoples decision as well.
afm199
Well-known member
Not to mention the missed races from the previous Buttonwillow rainout. Perhaps there should be a make up make up race.
Med23
Goin' Gorilla
Get out of my head!
I like variety, so if we can't do Infineon (where my old bike has a chance) I say Buttonwillow. Plus September is not looking good for me either. And I will 100% make the Buttonwillow date...which matters to exactly ZERO people.
LongGoneJohn
Gone
Ha-Ha! Well, maybe that's why it's double points also. If it's a race that was missed at Buttonwillow and Thunderhill, it gets double points. Since that's a lot of them, they just figured fuck it-- double points for everyone!
I'm not gonna argue on the double point thing though, only because I don't have enough weight in this club to complain either way -- and it would suck because I'm kind-of-sort-of close in Clubman Lightweight...
Anyhow... sounds like financially Buttonwillow would be more financially responsible? And since this is primarly for the financial stability of the club, doesn't that make it a no brainer?
afm199
Well-known member
That's a big mistake. The AFM is famous for being voicing their opinions and yours is just as good as anyone else's.
LongGoneJohn
Gone
....and I will do it, when I think it's a big enough issue to do... but the double points issue isn't one that I know enough of, have enough invested in, or can really debate one side or the other with any real conviction. So, I'll just sit back and chill -- odds are, as I said before, I won't go to either of these this year anyhow.
Let's do Buttonwillow without the double points. I like racing at Buttonwillow even though the cost to do it is considerably higher for me. Double points could work out in my favor as I plan to be at either one but it really isn't fair to anyone.
RedMist
quiter
I just don't understand people bitching about losing a race and being up in arms and then when what is THE BEST option is presented with two choices people give excusses just like your complaining about the board giving to you guys.
It's all about what's best for the club until it gets a little tough and you have to drive a couple extra hours and from what I am hearing that is the complaint. Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth and just take it and run and appreciate that the club is actually attempting to do something that will allow them not to raise fees.
What's a bigger dea people, driving to Buttonwillow for one damn extra round or being charged more to race every round, that's what I'm hearing is the choice??
It's all about what's best for the club until it gets a little tough and you have to drive a couple extra hours and from what I am hearing that is the complaint. Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth and just take it and run and appreciate that the club is actually attempting to do something that will allow them not to raise fees.
What's a bigger dea people, driving to Buttonwillow for one damn extra round or being charged more to race every round, that's what I'm hearing is the choice??
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hitman5532
The Anti-Squid
Go onto the AFM page and vote that you are not attending then to reflect that thought
Jello_Biafra
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Cancelling the Buttonwillow makeup races means that you don't count any points from that weekend towards overall points at the end of the season. That seems a little bit unfair to the guys that showed up and kicked ass.
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Wow, I am having a deja vu moment while reading this thread. It almost sounds like you guys attended the board meeting.... 
But honestly, these were the discussions that were taking place in regards to venue, costs, benefit to the racers.
But honestly, these were the discussions that were taking place in regards to venue, costs, benefit to the racers.
hitman5532
The Anti-Squid
It gives you points for your class, just not for the club's overall points.
It could be argued that it is unfair for those who made up the points at a different track, even unfair to others who made points at buttonwillow when it is their worst track when others got to get points at a track where they are better. Same thing goes for the weather and other variables which are different between giving the overall points on two different weekends and count them as the same.
Points for the class and consider the overall points for the round as gone is the most fair for all involved. By having no bwillow make-up, no one in the club gets an advantage over another.
RedMist
quiter
Don't forget the impact the choice of not running more events will have on the costs for the remaining ones and perhaps ev en the ones for years to come.
There is a very long term trickle down effect that these choices will directly have on the ability of the club to remain financially affordable for even more racers.
We've already lost a great number of racers due to costs in one way or another and if we see an even further increase in fees I question if the increase would even make up for the numbers in riders we lose?
There is a very long term trickle down effect that these choices will directly have on the ability of the club to remain financially affordable for even more racers.
We've already lost a great number of racers due to costs in one way or another and if we see an even further increase in fees I question if the increase would even make up for the numbers in riders we lose?
hitman5532
The Anti-Squid
Yup, and often in business it is the better choice to take a one time loss than create more losses trying to avoid the one loss.
Weaver
New member
Well I will put my two cents in for CJ. I like the idea of T-hill. My wife has a very important high school reunion and she is part of the committee and we may not be able to get out off. As for the double points, we don't care either way, CJ just wants to race, get track time and experience. He will be at either one, but I would like T-Hill more. I think the track is better, and he usually does better there.....Again just my two cents.