AFM make up race weekend choices

[KazMan]

I believe that rain talks will occur in early fall so that there will be a little clearer cut template of what to do in the future. In the immediate, it was to determine if a makeup round would be feasible. Again, I can say that many a good point has been brought up in this forum, and can tell you that many of these same points were discussed on Wed. Just wish more people could have participated like we are doing now.

 

[Dos]

I want one of them thar cool eagles on muh fairings. j/k

just leave your bike unattended for the makeup triple point Miller round in December

 

[KazMan]

fucker.

got it dude. I'll give you a ring this weekend. I want one of them thar cool eagles on muh fairings.
j/k

Ok Roger, I should be around all weekend any particular color duck tape you want?

 

[#1Spies Fan]

I am for one glad that the AFM is going to do a makeup round...I race AFM because i love to race and to sit here a complain about travel fees and gate fees is BS. I was at both of the rained out rounds and feel the AFM does it's best to get the most out of the weekend. This is the 1st time in 15yrs that an entire weekend has been rained out so i do not think we need to worry much.

As far as 2x points goes...it is fair for all...show up and win and you get more points and if you get 2nd well then you got 2nd and that’s too bad....its racing!

As far as budgets go...I feel people when it comes to time off and money. I was down to $49 in both of my bank accounts combined after round 3 but i still made the drive to round 4. Racing an entire season is not easy or cheap but the fun and memories that come out of what we do is worth all the money to me.

Just my input...I would rather be a T-hill in September than Buttonwillow in August but whatever the AFM decides is what i will do.


See ya guys July 9th!!!

 

[afm199]

I am for one glad that the AFM is going to do a makeup round...I race AFM because i love to race and to sit here a complain about travel fees and gate fees is BS. I was at both of the rained out rounds and feel the AFM does it's best to get the most out of the weekend. This is the 1st time in 15yrs that an entire weekend has been rained out so i do not think we need to worry much.

As far as 2x points goes...it is fair for all...show up and win and you get more points and if you get 2nd well then you got 2nd and that’s too bad....its racing!

As far as budgets go...I feel people when it comes to time off and money. I was down to $49 in both of my bank accounts combined after round 3 but i still made the drive to round 4. Racing an entire season is not easy or cheap but the fun and memories that come out of what we do is worth all the money to me.

Just my input...I would rather be a T-hill in September than Buttonwillow in August but whatever the AFM decides is what i will do.


See ya guys July 9th!!!

Lend me $40 till payday will ya?

 

[hitman5532]

would you be more willing to support these make up races if they were for normal points?

No, the fundemental idea of make-up makes no sense. No one gained an advantage to anyone else by calling the weekend a wash. However, when a make up date is introduced advantages begin to arise (I mentioned a few in an earlier post). The only fair thing is to not create the unjust advantages.

In all sports things happen, it is the way life is. As long as no one gained an advantage in the contest, there is no advantage. Make-up races only accomplish creating advantages for certain people.

maybe with doing a make up race weekend (bringing us to 8 weekends this year), they'll figure adding a BW round, really isn't what is hurting racers during this "economic crunch". and we'll gain a race weekend?

If I am understanding what you are asking, then no. I think the determination for 8 rounds will be determined on more than just a single incident which we are looking at right now, and will (should) be judged on continued trends of consumer (riders) behavior

edit: for your portion above on "might rain" days, and people not showing up because of it, don't you think that if there was a chance to race on a wet track, within safe methods like many other clubs do of course, that many racers wouldn't hesitate to show up to a future "might rain" day?

I know I'd show up without hesitating.

You mean if we raced in the rain? Yes, if we raced in the rain people would not be able to hedge their bets because we would run either way.

But, if we establish a precedence that when rain comes we will have make up dates people will hedge their bets and expect a make up. This creates a greater financial loss for the club when the "might rain" weekend is ran because the weather happened to work out and the turn out was reduced because of people staying home and hedging their bets.

I also would show up either way. But my concern is for the greater good for the club as a whole, and equal justice for all involved

 

[LongGoneJohn]

Dan,

To play devils advocate, in terms of what is good for the club... a make-up round is great for the club. Or could potentially be anyway. Don't forget that part of the argument.... points aside.

 

[moxie619]

seeing as how I'm not in any running for any points chase, the double points doesn't affect me.

in all fairness, though, for those that are in the race for points, I say make them normal points. double points, for them would be unfair.

It's just not an issue for me at the moment.

and I would have shown up to this last one, except, I do know the current rule for rain.

Double points doesn't affect you, but it DOES affect a small few, it only affects me if they include the chapter optional Formula AFemme into the make-up races... which I haven't got an answer on.
Quite frankly, if they run AFemme at the make-up round, I will probably go... but then I will drop one of the 3 classes I am currently running from the next 3 (now 4) rounds. This means instead of getting my fees for 9 class entries they will get my fees for 8, or more likely 7, because at the last round I will be out of my pre-season set aside budget money and will only run the Formula AFemme class.

I showed up at both races, because the AFM didn't cancel them ahead of time, which meant they thought there was a reasonable chance of us racing, despite the not racing in the rain policy. I am trying to support my club when they decide to take the chance, if we had managed to get some racing in like we did at BW it would have been worth it. Those races were prescheduled, I had them on my calendar, had work time off planned, had budget to attend and there was not good reason for me not to show up... this on the other hand....

If the AFM raced in the rain I would have been out there giving it a go. However, I understand and even agree with the reason we don't, not making our tire vendors stock rain tires that would most likely never get used and putting them under financial hardship. I did however have my own set of rain tires last weekend and I suggested they open the track for rain practice to help make up some of the lost money.... but that apparently wasn't feasible.

 

[#1Spies Fan]

Lend me $40 till payday will ya?

With interest I am looking at a profit of $20...whats ur paypal account?

 

[#1Spies Fan]

If the AFM raced in the rain I would have been out there giving it a go. However, I understand and even agree with the reason we don't, not making our tire vendors stock rain tires that would most likely never get used and putting them under financial hardship. I did however have my own set of rain tires last weekend and I suggested they open the track for rain practice to help make up some of the lost money.... but that apparently wasn't feasible.

Racing in the Rain?!?!?! now thats a budget buster right there. I can run an additional round for the cost of a crash(which will happen in the rain no matter your skill level)

 

[machete]

Dan, point taken.

and Jenn, I think I may have come across wrong. The points don't matter to me, but that doesn't mean I don't see the truth of the matter the way you guys do. I'm happy to place my vote towards any make up round being for regular points only. guess what I meant, is that if there is a race weekend, I'm gonna try and make it.

anyway, I'm gonna go for a ride.

 

[moxie619]

Racing in the Rain?!?!?! now thats a budget buster right there. I can run an additional round for the cost of a crash(which will happen in the rain no matter your skill level)

That's funny, I saw many racers make it through an entire rain weekend at Miller (AMA/WSBK) without crashing. It can be done, if you keep your throttle in check.

 

[moxie619]

Dan, point taken.

and Jenn, I think I may have come across wrong. The points don't matter to me, but that doesn't mean I don't see the truth of the matter the way you guys do. I'm happy to place my vote towards any make up round being for regular points only. guess what I meant, is that if there is a race weekend, I'm gonna try and make it.

anyway, I'm gonna go for a ride.

I'm not picking on you... I'm picking on the idea of double points. Please don't take anything I say personally, it's meant as a general comment to make my point.
First rule of conflict - Hard on the issue, gentle on the person. We are all just people that want to race. Have a fun ride.

 

[moxie619]

I race AFM because i love to race

I agree.

and to sit here a complain about travel fees and gate fees is BS. !!!

I respectfully disagree. The Formula AFemme Championship was one of my goals this season. Now I am being told suck it up and attend the added race or give up my goal. I don't personally believe racing is worth running my checking account down to $49, so I will have to make other compromises or give up my season goal.

I wonder if I send them a check for my entry fee if they will give me points for last place, even if I don't show up. That would still be pretty good points at DB points. They get my entry fee and I don't have to spend all the extra dough. Literal bench racing. hahahaha

 

[hitman5532]

Dan,

To play devils advocate, in terms of what is good for the club... a make-up round is great for the club. Or could potentially be anyway. Don't forget that part of the argument.... points aside.

I hope that if it runs, it is a money maker - but my business sense and experience says that the small net gain (if any) will be negated by the larger long term problems and losses.

I used to run a Kart track and was a race director for a kart racing club and race school program. There were times where something would occur where a decision had to be made to take a short term single loss (like the first loss of a round in years which we are now experiencing) in exchange for not creating a larger problem in the long run. Nobody wants to do it, but sometimes it is the best choice out of what can be done.

For example, a track and field event where it is snowing. If the event is totally cancelled, then no one benefits or has an advantage. If the event is ran, everyone faces the same obstacle as everyone else, namely the snow; therefore no advantage is given. However, if some people didn't show because of the possibilty of being snowed out and then were able to gain results(times and distances) toward that event day on a day with sunny weather, it creates advantages and disadvantages in the competition which were not present with just cancelling the day and calling it a loss. Now throw in double points given for showing up on the sunny day and that only compounds the issue.

If cancelling the round gives no one an advantage, and having a make up round benefits some - it doesn't make sense.

That being said, even though it would be good for my own personal gain if we run a make up round... I have to object to it based on the overall scheme of things

 

[LadyDragon]

BUTTONWILLOW FTW!!!!!!!

Bring it ON!!!!! Quit pussayfooootn and lets ride that track!!! Its not often to Race there!!!! pbbbleeeeeassszzzzeee!?!???!?!!

 

[KazMan]

Bring it ON!!!!! Quit pussayfooootn and lets ride that track!!! Its not often to Race there!!!! pbbbleeeeeassszzzzeee!?!???!?!!

NO you are too fast there, and I have never been there

Arin, did you go vote in the AFM forums?

 

[duh_ave]

I showed up at both races, because the AFM didn't cancel them ahead of time, which meant they thought there was a reasonable chance of us racing, despite the not racing in the rain policy. I am trying to support my club when they decide to take the chance, if we had managed to get some racing in like we did at BW it would have been worth it. Those races were prescheduled, I had them on my calendar, had work time off planned, had budget to attend and there was not good reason for me not to show up... this on the other hand....

If the AFM raced in the rain I would have been out there giving it a go. However, I understand and even agree with the reason we don't, not making our tire vendors stock rain tires that would most likely never get used and putting them under financial hardship. I did however have my own set of rain tires last weekend and I suggested they open the track for rain practice to help make up some of the lost money.... but that apparently wasn't feasible.

1-- YOU showed up at the races because YOU believed that the races might run. YOU are the club. Dont put that on others.
2-- WE dont make the tire vendors stock anything. What they choose to stock is based on what they think that they will sell. If we raced in the rain, then they may or may not choose to bring rain tires. Its their choice, not ours.

 

[duh_ave]

NO you are too fast there, and I have never been there

Arin, did you go vote in the AFM forums?

no, she not an AFM'er... yet... but if she can vote, she shouldn't. Should be members only

Dont worry Eric, she's up and coming, but you should be able to beat her!

 

[KazMan]

no, she not an AFM'er... yet...

Umm ,

I believe she is an AFM'er but has not because of Mother Nature completed her Clubman race so is technically not a racer yet. But she passed NRS, and entered into the last race weekend...and I have seen her videos, and she will do just fine. Even more fine at B'willow.