I read this as, "If the club over pays/under pays it's not the members concern", we're a non-profit and someones corporate interest are being protected?
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AFM make up race weekend choices
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I read this as, "If the club over pays/under pays it's not the members concern", we're a non-profit and someones corporate interest are being protected?
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before you go nuts on numbers bro, be sure you have the right numbers. You're throwing out 30 and 40k without a true hard number. without a "true" number directly from the AFM on what it cost them to go to buttonwillow...either overall number, or individual expense numbers....^^^ that's just a downer to discourage people.
10k for race track rental. You're telling me that AFM has not made a deal for a less than normal track rental fee? we go there 2 times a year, well used to, but we have gone to BW a lot, I doubt we pay the full rental price.
hell, last number thrown out on how much it costs the AFM to rent BW was $4,900 for the track, about $300 for ambulance (4 hour minimum), assume 20 hour total weekend, and insurance, last number was $3000 per day. but I have the total figure for the year that AFM has paid for insurance in the last few years.
so, which one is it.....before we do the "sky is falling" again, AFM members should start requesting a true accounting of the costs and expenses of the AFM.
I honestly think AFM has dropped the ball in many ways. First, if it's such a "money maker" and necessity for the AFM to stay afloat, how come a mass email to the AFM membership to vote for another race weekend was not sent out asap. failure. how come it still hasn't gone out?
second, quit hiding costs AFM. you are only making it worse. how much total, was spent out of the AFM coffers to pay for an BW weekend? anyone know that? cause it seems AFM is going on the assumption that they will make money.
either way, I'm gonna try and race.
i wasnt trying to start a war of $$ and folks, just saying sometimes it helps if folks KNOW what they are up against.
per wknd cost i agree, are hard to just say $XX... especially with 3 different tracks. For us up here, easy, 1 track, 1 fee.
I would say EASIEST way to look at it was "what is the total cost for racing for AFM" (including ALL events, all staff members, insurance the big one, all advertising, etc) ANY board member should know this. Then divide that by 7 (or how ever many events) then you know that it is roughly $XX for the club to put on events for us.
Its a VERY crude/simple thing but sometimes thats the easiest way to start. Plus you wont have folks picking every little detail apart.
I just dont personally like clubs that hold budgets and incomes private. IN a member based non profit club, the members should have a good idea of what it cost, where the $$ is going and such. Just my $.02 flame on if im wrong.
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WHERE?? you have Diesel for UNDER $4/gal?? NO WAY! Oregon is cheaper on gas and we are at @$4.20/gal right now. Please post up where diesel is $3.93/gal (without puc!)
Jeez louise Dan!
Aren't you paying attention to the forum thread about funmovers, of course were talking about fuel!
And while we're at it, how come were not asking BP to show their books and show us where all the profit is going and how much they have paid out for the Gulf of Mexico incident!
Because Kaz, BP IS A FOR PROFIT company!
AFM is a NON PROFIT member based entity therefor the members of the club should have access and knowledge of WHERE the money goes!
OMRRA did that and yes it caused some issues but in the end we as a WHOLE found ways to cut cost, cut overhead, adjust things a bit and actually the board kicked ass this year and LOWERED entry fee's! Had we not all known how bad the club was it would have imo honeslty been gone by end of this year, it was that bad.
You have to know WHERE your bleeding in order to stop it. A board of 5-10ppl cant have the time, resources, energy or even the same ability to help a club out in certain times as can a collective group of 400+.
again start with simple, not every penny cost or such needs to be dissected. honestly.
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No no no, Eric! I think we should ask BP and all the rest of the oil companies because I believe that if you look at the race budgets of club racers, in the top 2 expenditures is probably fuel, both racing and travel. Therefore, we have a right to know! damnit!
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Actually Eric, every penny/ cost should be dissected and watched, but that's what the board and AFM employees are tasked with in the bylaws. At BP, the shareholders have the right to an annual report and rights associated with being a shareholder. The problem with lumping variable expenses with fixed expenses in the AFM is the variance to those expenses, which for budgeting purposes can't be spread over 7 rounds. IOW, SP costs alot more to rent than BW, but that cost can't be associated with BW for budgeting. However, in practice it is as any loss/ gain falls to the bottom line.
Each track/ event needs it's own budget which applies to that event. Yearly, fixed costs are applied to each round or as determined by those who prepare said budget. Each club has their proclivities which can't be shared across the club racing spectrum. WSMC has difficulties we at the AFM do not have, yet the AFM has it's complications which say, OMRRA doesn't have. And yet, learning from these clubs can be very beneficial.
The best thing I can gather, productively from your comments, are that club Presidents/ race directors getting together for an annual meeting can net great results for everyone involved. That's something worth setting static.
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Non-profit is the lamest term ever. Lots of people are profiting off the A.F.M. . Mostly insurance companys and race tracks. How much? We will never know cause its proprietary or in other terms "a secret". Look up the redcross and what a scam it is and you will see what non profit is all about.
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Dude, it's Nevada. Red dye is probably legal for on-road. :|
Not red, diesel 2 sold on every pump.
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How does the profit of the race tracks and insurance companies have anything to do with whether or not the AFM's alleged (by you and others) non-profit status is legit? Your baseless opinion is backed only by irrelevant speculation.
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Yeah, but look at who said it.
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What I read between the lines was very different than what you read. What got from his statement was this,
Truth be told some issues may arise from sharing full disclosure with the members of the club but in the long run you have a much better chance of saving a sinking ship with all hands on deck than with 99% of us sleeping silently as we sink.
I'm not saying we are sinking but can anyone say we are not, no you can't unless your on the board and I bet a good deal of them don't get the whole picture either, maybe we are sinking and maybe we are not but I would like to know that before it's to late.
It really doesn't seem like that much to ask, REALLY!!!
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Actually Shawnery, it's really simple to benefit the AFM: Come to races, race, and get your friends in as members to race. There's the cost side of the equation and there's the income side of the balance sheet. The easiest thing for members to do is worry about the income side and try to bring more people into the AFM to kick ass!
i stand corrected. Apologize. I have never seen gas in Cali cheaper in my life than orygun. i know we have been slapping taxes on our gas lately cause no one will pass a sales tax so they just add it to the gas tax...makes sense huh?
Still i think its WHERE you are..around here in Portland/Subs its no where for less than $4.15/gal but on your link they show it under $4 a gal in the state..mostly out by airport/heavy industry parts.
Still if you look, in GENERAL Orygun is still lower. I think its that I-5 corridor they rip us off.
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Trust me when I say, even if I like playing the devils advocate, 'I completely respect what the board does'.
Now that that's out of the way,
To someone who might be a little untrusting and paranoid that response just sounds like noise to distract us from realizing the fact that the board seems unwilling to share potentially negative information about the club I pay to be a part of!!
I can feel that trusting the board is a realistic choice but at the same time, how many people atually vote, how long can someone be trusted that seems unwilling to prove their trustworthiness?
Honestly, any club member should be able to request and receive a finacial run down of the clubs finances, trust is a two way street!!