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zefflyn said:
Ah, that sucks. Sledge would never settle for such a peashooter.

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That's funny, for some reason I had it stuck in my head that he had a Ruger Redhawk. Hmmm.

Remeber the episode he had to give up his .44 and use a .25? He tried to shoot it at the target and the bullet didn't even make it. Man I loved that show. Plus the quote, "I am the most efficient Elvis!"
 
Eldritch said:
Can anyone here speak intelligently to me about the FN 5.7? The more I read about that piece the more I think I need one. Military restricted ammo is a pain, but I think I NEED it. :teeth


very light (total weight) - I hardly notice it while carrying, shoots great like a .22, reliable, lots of very good features on it (rails, visual / physical round in chamber button or whatever you want to call that, ambi mag release). only draw back that I can see - ammo can be expensive.
 
Proposition H

I believe they will be voting on this in the next day or two. All eyes are on SF to see what happens.





"Proposition H is one of the most radical gun control ordinances to be proposed in any U.S. city - one that sacrifices the safety of individual citizens for the posturing of cynical politicians. It is an ill-conceived attempt at social engineering by some members of San Francisco’s Board of Supervisors that will punish those who obey the law and reward those who violate it. Prop. H would:

Totally ban handguns: Prop. H requires that handguns owned by law-abiding San Francisco residents be disposed of or turned into the police. This is more extreme than bans in cities such as Washington, D.C., and Chicago, that only applied to ownership of handguns that had not been previously registered.

Ban the sale, manufacture and distribution of all firearms: Current owners of rifles and shotguns would not be allowed to transfer their firearms to anyone, including family members. Also, no firearms manufacturer, wholesaler or distributor could operate in San Francisco.

In addition to assaulting the individual citizen’s right to keep and bear arms, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors’ Prop. H is fatally flawed in other ways:

No compensation provided for law-abiding gun owners: Prop. H sets no reimbursement for private property surrendered to the police.

No penalties set for violating ban: Voters are being asked to approve a proposal with undefined consequences. Prop. H leaves the issue of penalties open, allowing the Board of Supervisors to set any punishment allowed by California law.

Unlimited power given to the Board of Supervisors: Prop. H’s Section 8 states: "By a two-thirds vote and upon making findings, the Board of Supervisors may amend this ordinance in the furtherance of reducing handgun violence." Eight Supervisors can do anything they want to expand the scope of the proposition if it passes.

Banning firearms is not a progressive cause: Organizations including the Coalition for San Francisco Neighborhoods, the Libertarian Party of San Francisco and the San Francisco Pink Pistols oppose Prop. H, because it denies citizens the means to defend themselves against crime, including hate crime.

Taxpayers to pay for costly legal battle: Prop. H sponsors have not done their homework. A long-standing California preemption statute prohibits cities from passing a patchwork of conflicting gun laws. If Prop. H does pass, taxpayers will have to pay for a costly lawsuit that San Francisco may very well lose, as it has done in the past.

Discriminates against San Francisco residents: Visitors to the city may possess handguns as long as they obey other applicable laws.

Prop H will bring exactly the opposite results that its proponents claim. In other U.S. cities that have banned guns, crime did not go down—it increased. In the years following the D.C. ban, where crime had been trending down, crime rose sharply. In the ensuing years, Washington, D.C., became the murder capital of the nation.

Making San Francisco a magnet for violent crime: The passage of Prop. H may make criminals laugh, but it won’t make them turn in their guns. Most criminals get their guns illegally, and felons who merely possess firearms are already committing a serious federal crime.

Diverting already stretched police resources: “Violent criminals who prey on San Francisco’s residents and visitors have a better chance of getting away with their crime than predators in any other large American city.” (San Francisco Chronicle, May 19, 2002). Can San Francisco really afford to divert law enforcement time and money from apprehending and arresting violent criminals to trying to enforce Prop. H?

Roadblocks, random searches of houses or neighborhoods: How exactly does the Board of Supervisors intend police to enforce Prop. H without violating San Franciscans’ Fourth Amendment rights? How can Prop. H be enforced without violating someone’s privacy and civil liberties?

Prop. H will leave law-abiding men and women defenseless: Prohibiting the right of individual San Franciscans to choose their means of defense against robbers, rapists, gang bangers, stalkers or home invaders denies a constitutionally protected civil liberty.

San Francisco already has some of the most stringent firearms laws in the nation. It’s time to start getting tough with criminals who violate those laws and time to respect the civil liberties - including the right to self-defense - of law-abiding residents. "
 
Tom2 said:
very light (total weight) - I hardly notice it while carrying, shoots great like a .22, reliable, lots of very good features on it (rails, visual / physical round in chamber button or whatever you want to call that, ambi mag release). only draw back that I can see - ammo can be expensive.

Nice! By reliable I assume you mean easily managed, tight, consistent groupings? How is maintenance on that piece? How does a field strip and clean compare to say a Glock or 1911?
 
Well it looks like the only ones in SF who are "allowed" to own guns are the police and criminals.
 
Can't be too sure - the 9th Circuit is more insane than ever, and the Supremes may refuse to hear the case.
 
Okay, to be honest, no longer being a SF resident, I didn't pay much attention to this. So if it is now illegal to own and possess a handgun, are citizens now required and expected to turn them in? Like, in thier dreams.
 
zefflyn said:
Does the Sig Trailside have a magazine disconnect safety?

Nope. Specifically says in the manual that it will fire with the magazine removed.

That said, there are many better pistols for the money IMHO. The trigger in mine is not that good. I had a previous one that had a better trigger but had other problems so they replaced it with the one I have now. It is also pretty unreliable as it needs target rounds and the action gets gummed up by the waxed bullets.

My Buckmark Camper makes me much happier. I used it tonite at the range and it worked flawlessly and accurately. And I don't think I've cleaned it since 2002. :teeth
 
March 10-12, 2006 (date change)
The Big Reno Show
(Lou Fascio, Inc.)
The Reno Hilton
Reno, Nv.
Fri. and Sat. 9-6, Sun. 9-3




:teeth Anybody want to go play some poker in Reno that weekend?
 
Crap, I just realized the Sig is one of those classified as an exempt Olympic pistol, so would have been available to buy until next year.


Oh well, it's still mine! :banana
 
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Copycat. :twofinger

Sweet deals on both. :thumbup I like the 4 1/2 inch Trailside. I wish they would have replaced mine with like kind instead of the 6 incher. But it took almost 7months to get anything back from them so I figured what the hey.

The camper is sweet. I had mine up at the ranch last Friday and was consistently hitting clays at about 30 yards. And of course I still haven't cleaned it. :teeth
 
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