In case you missed it...
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Originally Posted by ScorpioVI
Transcripts are here. If any of you feel like wading through the bullshit.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_a...pts/07-290.pdf
PUTPUT's completely biased cliff notes of the transcript.
Dellinger for DC: 2A keeps Fed Army (US Const. Article 1, Section 8) and States can regulate Militia (People can have what the state says)
SC: Oh really?
Dellinger for DC: Bans are OK if you don’t ban everything (Rifles, Shotguns still allowed). That’s reasonable.
SC: Oh really?
Dellinger for DC: The Heller decision repealed all gun laws.
SC: Oh really?
Dellinger for DC: We’ve reversed our interpretation that DC citizens can’t defend themselves. Now they can if they can assemble and load their gun fast enough.
SC: WTF?
Dellinger for DC: See, you can have a rifle or shotgun, locked up and if you get a license, you can even take it to the shooting range!
SC: Just suppose it’s an individual right can you ban handguns? “Well regulated” means “Well Trained” not “Massively Regulated”?
Dellinger for DC: DC can ban handguns cause our militia doesn’t need them.
SC: Thanks for your time.
Gen Clement for DC: 2A guarantees an individual right to own guns.
SC: You guys are a real mess! We’ll help prove that it is an individual right.
Gen Clement for DC: 2A unlike the rest of the Bill of Rights, should be held to a standard and not strict scrutiny.
SC: Oh Really?
Gen Clement for DC: Yup and that means that states can make gun laws like banning felons possession.
SC: And handguns?
Gen Clement for DC: Yup.
SC: But with a disassembled rifle you can protect yourself?
Gen Clement for DC: Yup, we’ll just write a bunch of laws that cover every scenario where you can and can’t have it assembled.
Gen Clement for DC: Oh and it’s not a complete ban. If you had a pistol before 1976, you get to keep it!
SC: Thanks for your time.
Gura for Heller: All 50 states allow people to defend themselves with handguns.
SC: We’re old talk slower.
Gura for Heller: DC had lots of opportunity to be reasonable and spell out when you can have your weapon assembled.
SC: OK but, if owning a firearm is militia related, how is banning handguns bad.
Gura for Heller: Yes, the army uses them and so would a militia and no one would be trained up.
SC: OK does the militia part of 2A matter?
Gura for Heller: You betcha cause the Miller case tried to tell us what kind of arms we can have and next the congress will try to tell us who can be in a militia. Militia is a reason for 2A but not the only reason.
SC: Now we’ll take a few moments to help you make that argument.
Gura for Heller: In Keeping with Miller, people can have guns that are for civilian use so banning machine guns and rocket launchers is OK.
SC: Miller was deficient.
Gura for Heller: Yup. But, you gotta use common sense.
SC: Word!
SC: In the early days, states and towns banned guns or how you store them. What’s with that.
Gura for Heller: They used common sense to say that you couldn’t keep a keg of gunpowder next to you fireplace but that didn’t stop people from being ready for militia duty or protecting themselves.
SC: Common sense!
SC: 2A doesn’t mention self defense.
Gura for Heller: It didn’t need to it’s a Gawd given right!
SC: There was a lot of controversy over 2A when written.
Gura for Heller: Yup, they wanted to protect the peoples rights and not be redundant and stuff.
SC: Trigger locks suck!
Gura for Heller: Yup, get a gun safe!
SC: OK but, do you want a bunch of judges to decide which is better?
Gura for Heller: They won’t have to cause DC is the only place with that kind of law. They just have to focus on fundamental rights.
SC: What about licensing?
Gura for Heller: Licensing is OK if it’s purpose is not to impede.
SC: Is it “not to be infringed” or “not to be unreasonable infringed”?
Gura for Heller: There is that aspect to every Amendment. What’s unreasonable? It’s reasonable to ban felons.
SC: Is it reasonable to consider DC crime wave with handguns?
Gura for Heller: You have to have the facts. Heller won’t stand, there’s killers on the loose with handguns.
SC: Better buy a handgun!
Gura for Heller: HELL YA!
SC: Thanks for your time.
Dellinger for DC: Our law is reasonable!
SC: How long does it take to remove a gun lock and to load it?
Dellinger for DC: Locks are an option. You can disassemble or have it locked while loaded.
SC: WTF. Just answer the question.
Dellinger for DC: Me? 3 seconds!
SC: In the dark without your glasses with a madman punching your face? Pushaw!
Dellinger for DC: OK, OK! Just let us keep the handgun ban part!
SC: Did you consider self defense in this law? Why’s it so full of stuff?
Dellinger for DC: Cause it’s a state right or local right and not intended for national scrutiny. You can still have a rifle if the militia calls.
SC: Thanks for your time.
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I want to go to Bulleye in Castro Valley this weekend anyway...
