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Broto Oui-Oui Round 5: Le-mans

Can zarco get is maiden podium in his home race?

  • fuck yeah he gona win too!

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • yup, 2nd or 3rd for the slidin' frenchman

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • no way,. but top 5 for sure

    Votes: 10 27.8%

  • crashes out of lead pushing extra hard

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • nah, but he will finish

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • Total voters
    36
aminalmutha said:
So, should they have black-flagged Mav or just assigned a penalty at the end of the race?
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They should have done no such thing. That's the layout of the track. It sucks that you lose if you screw up some corners and not others, but it's a level playing field. Mav outbraked himself somewhere he didn't lose much. Rossi did it somewhere where he lost a position. That's all there is to it.
 
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This may have been discussed before... or not.. but why does Zarco have the Japanese Imperial Navy flag on his helmet?
 
Bassem said:
They should have done no such thing. That's the layout of the track. It sucks that you lose if you screw up some corners and not others, but it's a level playing field. Mav outbraked himself somewhere he didn't lose much. Rossi did it somewhere where he lost a position. That's all there is to it.
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Chicanes are really the only place where a mistake can turn into an advantage. Rossi going in too hot forced him wide and Mav came underneath him. Mav going in too hot turned a chicane into a slight S-turn, which is a much faster way through.

Nothing should have been charged at this race since it was within the rules. I think this issue should be addressed in the future though.
 
i dont think we'll ever see a rule that says "if u go off track, u must fall back XX seconds". defining a time - anything more than zero - would be arbitrary, very difficult to police, would add useless controversy, and would probably do nothing positive for the racing. yes, Mav would have lost more time had all these hypotheticals been true... but they arent. the current rule and Dorna's policing of it is mostly consistent. it aint going to change.
 
if we could just rewind seven days and start from last monday, that'd be great...
 
Bassem said:
They should have done no such thing. That's the layout of the track. It sucks that you lose if you screw up some corners and not others, but it's a level playing field. Mav outbraked himself somewhere he didn't lose much. Rossi did it somewhere where he lost a position. That's all there is to it.
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Yes, this, exactly what I was trying to say, though much better.

stangmx13 said:
i dont think we'll ever see a rule that says "if u go off track, u must fall back XX seconds". defining a time - anything more than zero - would be arbitrary, very difficult to police, would add useless controversy, and would probably do nothing positive for the racing. yes, Mav would have lost more time had all these hypotheticals been true... but they arent. the current rule and Dorna's policing of it is mostly consistent. it aint going to change.
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And agree x1000000 on this.

I see so many people wanting rules that benefit Rossi and hinder everyone else. The blinders are large.
 
aminalmutha said:
So, should they have black-flagged Mav or just assigned a penalty at the end of the race?
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C'mon- black flag? I don't think anything should have been done for this race. But to me it begs the question about mistakes/ staying on course, etc. When a rider exits a corner before they have direction, and go wide and drop a wheel or two off the rumble onto a paved part during a race- how many times can it happen before race direction has an issue- 2 times? I just see this as a similar question- like dropping only one wheel off the measured course for a fraction of a second during QP.

Take the chicane at Sears- you can blow that corner- but you gotta navigate the tires and will lose time- you cant just realize you're in too hot to keep the pace you want, give up and rejoin 2 bike lengths behind the guy you were chasing into 9 at turn 10. And like Nick said- its only in a chicane type corner that you can rejoin without a deficit. On a traditional corner you're going to lose time.

I wanted Rossi to win but he did it to himself! Amateur move by seeing red mist in the midst of a championship battle- not a singular race battle. I love the passion of it- but that's only part of how one wins a championship.
 
RightCoastBias said:
Yes, this, exactly what I was trying to say, though much better.



And agree x1000000 on this.

I see so many people wanting rules that benefit Rossi and hinder everyone else. The blinders are large.
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I might be the biggest Rossi hater on BARF. I just don't like seeing a mistake in the race being rewarded.
 
Various impressions from ROUND 5 - Le Mans ~

.....The pre-race prediction poll gave 47.22% to Johann Zarco to finish 2nd or 3rd. This confidence was well founded. Zarco's vivid successes are valuable on so many levels : 1 - The excitement of the advent of a proto Alien. 2 - Having said proto Alien be a Frenchman should garner big fan and money increases for the GP Series in France and Western Europe in general. 3 - Zarco and Folger producing demonstrable results as rookies says that MotoGP is far from stagnant, and that the Moto3 and Moto2 ranks are good breeding grounds for GP level talent. 4 - Outstanding results for a "satellite" team is always good news indicating significant depth in the field. Julian Ryder often refers to Hervé Poncharal's crew as being "80s" in relation to the up-to-the-moment sophistication of the factory teams. 5 - Can't wait for the first Back Flip Off The Top Of The Tire Wall from Johann. Huzzah.

.....The bad luck of team Octo-Pramac notwithstanding, the Ducatis faired well at Le Mans. The factory squad struggled mightily during both practice and qualifying, but managed decent results even taking away some consideration due to depletion of the field. Jorge's result, granted, was less than stellar given his success rate at the track. It's going to be a long season for the Majorcan, but if his learning curve steepens toward the end, all should be well with the Audi suits.

.....The catastrophe in Moto3 did have me wondering about the wisdom of rules allowing crashed bikes to re-enter the race. I understand that BSB does not allow this. Fenati is certainly showing his skills, but must curb his inner Marquez. The KTMs are conducting themselves admirably. Not sure what to make of John McPhee's hot and cold season ... inadequate technical support maybe? Maria Herrera continues to languish in the bottom of the finishing order. Without proper coaching (Ángel Nieto?) her future does not look bright.

.....KTM and Aprilia continue to exhibit flashes of brilliance/potential. On the KTMs, Bradley Smith seems to be coming to grips with his machine while Pol Espargaro seems to be limited by the underdevelopment of the bike.
 
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Above is Rossi preparing to ride to the grid at Le Mans Sunday.
If you do not know what exhaustion looks like, it looks like this.
Pale skin. Flaccid facial muscles. Red, puffy eyes with dark circles.
Drooping eyelids. Psychologists call this look "flat affect". It denotes
that the person is running on fumes. This is a fact. Whether you can
see it or not is irrelevant. Valentino made his last lap mistake because
he was trying to will his body and mind to respond with energies which
were not available to them. Why Valentino was exhausted is knowledge
that probably only a handful of people possess. It also is irrelevant.
Getting old is not for sissies.

ADDENDUM 05.26.17 :
This post is written poorly, and the tone is adversarial. MY APOLOGIES to any who may rightfully have taken offense.
 
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Right. Because you look fresh as a daisy in every screen cap. Go away dude.
 
RightCoastBias said:
Yes, this, exactly what I was trying to say, though much better.



And agree x1000000 on this.

I see so many people wanting rules that benefit Rossi and hinder everyone else. The blinders are large.
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Not rules that benefit one rider... just rules that make logical sense. How can you have a rule apply to qualifying and not the race even though the same exact thing happens.

Trust me I'm not blaming Rossi crashing on the fact that Mav was able to make a huge mistake and nothing happen. Kid put in the lap of his life the last lap but as a race fan its very disappointing to see what happened.
 
sidewazzz said:
Not rules that benefit one rider... just rules that make logical sense. How can you have a rule apply to qualifying and not the race even though the same exact thing happens.

Trust me I'm not blaming Rossi crashing on the fact that Mav was able to make a huge mistake and nothing happen. Kid put in the lap of his life the last lap but as a race fan its very disappointing to see what happened.
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Exactly, I was really excited to see how they were going to battle each other. How clean/dirty it would get. Should have been a good half-lap or so of paint swapping.
 
Rossi looked exhausted all weekend. He has all year really, but this weekend especially so.

Valencia 2016 proved those criticisms of Zarco to be invalid for me.
 
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