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Broto Oui-Oui Round 5: Le-mans

Can zarco get is maiden podium in his home race?

  • fuck yeah he gona win too!

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • yup, 2nd or 3rd for the slidin' frenchman

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • no way,. but top 5 for sure

    Votes: 10 27.8%

  • crashes out of lead pushing extra hard

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • nah, but he will finish

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • Total voters
    36
wstick1 said:
If 25 doesn't cut the track, 46 wins.
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This... while advantage wasn't gain... nothing was lost in a huge mistake. I've always thought since the addition of extra run off... there sound be some sort of additional time penalty even if no adavatage came from using it.
 
kelsodeez said:
when rossi crashed i let out one of these.....


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+100000
 
sidewazzz said:
This... while advantage wasn't gain... nothing was lost in a huge mistake. I've always thought since the addition of extra run off... there sound be some sort of additional time penalty even if no adavatage came from using it.
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Ya I think if 46 doesn't crash, there is at least a discussion of penalty.
 
I've only watched two laps of the moto3 race so far but this is just a great example of how the no spare bike rule is stupid and shouldn't be in GP.
 
I get Rossi wanted the points but a guy with so much experience getting passed by Vinales, he should have hung in the pocket and taken the points with we cond.

Hairbender of a finish. Can't believe Miller was out there racing today and didn't do half bad. Has to take some serious balls and mental commitment to have a crash like that, see it over and over and then get back out there and ride as fast as you can. Props to him.
 
wstick1 said:
What I said was, "If 25 doesn't cut the track, 46 wins"
Has nothing to do with penalties, DORNA, or the FIM.
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But vinales cutting the track did not give him an advantage or he would have been penalized.

He ran deep into a corner where he wouldn't be in gravel, perhaps a calculated risk.

And there's no telling what would have happened if he hadn't. Maybe he would have caught Rossi in another corner if he negotiated that turn like the previous 27 laps. The kid is a bad ass rider and cutting a corner didn't win him a race.
 
RightCoastBias said:
But vinales cutting the track did not give him an advantage or he would have been penalized.

He ran deep into a corner where he wouldn't be in gravel, perhaps a calculated risk.

And there's no telling what would have happened if he hadn't. Maybe he would have caught Rossi in another corner if he negotiated that turn like the previous 27 laps. The kid is a bad ass rider and cutting a corner didn't win him a race.
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The whole point is that he made a mistake but suffered no loss as a result. If there were gravel in the chicane runoff instead of pavement he'd have finished 5-10 seconds back, if he even finished at all.

Watching all 3 races, I saw over half a dozen riders cut that T3/T4 chicane over the weekend. It doesn't seem right for a rider to go so deep into the corner that he can't make the turn, and not suffer any penalty.

I'm not a Roozi fanboi at all, but that technically is something I don't like in the rules.
 
Nick said:
The whole point is that he made a mistake but suffered no loss as a result. If there were gravel in the chicane runoff instead of pavement he'd have finished 5-10 seconds back, if he even finished at all.

Watching all 3 races, I saw over half a dozen riders cut that T3/T4 chicane over the weekend. It doesn't seem right for a rider to go so deep into the corner that he can't make the turn, and not suffer any penalty.

I'm not a Roozi fanboi at all, but that technically is something I don't like in the rules.
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I get the point, I just think it's ridiculous to consider. There's a million ifs we could consider.

This same thing has happened to plenty of riders and plenty more have landed in the gravel.

Vinales could have thought, "I'm going into this turn faster and I'm going to brake later than I normally do. Worst case, I stand the bike up and run off course a bit. Then I roll off for a second and continue chase."

It's the same as Rossi running through the gravel chicane against MM, except the blind Rossi fanbois don't care when he does it.

I'm a huge Rossi fan and want to see him win, I also think the chicane manuaver was highly impressive and an interesting result, considering he faced no penalty.

These riders have to push the limits of the rules and see what happens. That's racing.
 
Nick said:
Watching all 3 races, I saw over half a dozen riders cut that T3/T4 chicane over the weekend.
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Noticed the same thing..... and thought after seeing it in multiple races through the classes that this is going to become a set time penalty in the future.

That a side, Rossi's mistake was his alone. The GP race was sweet with so many fast guys pushing all out:party

Have to admit I was silently celebrating a Rossi/Mav/Zarco 123 with a lap to go.... apparently a bit too soon. Still the best race so far this year for me!!
 
Awesome race. That was classic Leh-Muhhh!
 
finally a combat for first! excellent racing. the pace was incredible.

I'm still in disbelief that it was the goat that conceded the victory.

may this make him doubly determined to get this 'ship
 
RightCoastBias said:
Vinales could have thought, "I'm going into this turn faster and I'm going to brake later than I normally do. Worst case, I stand the bike up and run off course a bit. Then I roll off for a second and continue chase."
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RightCoastBias said:
It's the same as Rossi running through the gravel chicane against MM
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So to be clear, do you think going off road as a result of your own error ( or as a calculated risk in corners with run off ) should be treated with a different standard than being helped off the road by another rider in the heat of battle ?
 
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When a rider exceeds track limits during QP- even for a fraction of a second, the lap time is forfeited.


It's HUGE mistake- to completely run off track- meters off even. Granted- if there was gravel where the riders are cutting like that, most would simply make the corner and not run off. But to do that, they will HAVE to slow down much more than their optimum, non-error race pace to complete the corner(s). Not only that, they avoid the risk of potentially completing the corner on the dirty part of the track where they are much more likely to crash when coming in hot, off line.

This sport is measured in fractions of seconds, so claiming that riders cutting a corner/chicane garner zero advantage is disingenuous, IMO.
 
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