Chevy Camero vs. Ford Mustang; which has bigger ballz?

[TheRobSJ]

I have never seen a mustang do this:

Yeah you have...

Just got it's ass kicked by the Camaro so maybe that's why you forgot about it.

 

[Kestrel]

It's a fucking movie, people. If you purchased a car based on a terrible trilogy of crappy movie robots, you fail at being an intelligent consumer. Somewhere, some idiot business major in a corporate marketing department is smiling all the way to the bank.

The Mustang is by far and large the better 'car' at this point in time, all emotions aside. I'm just glad both of them are getting of their asses and making cars with not only respectable power, but good gas mileage.

 

[ohio]

Driving the new (base) Mustang was one of my more disappointing experiences this year. Before you point out that the V8 would've been better, I'll say the engine was the least disappointing thing about it. The terrible body roll, the unbelievably rubber steering, the painfully slow transmission, horrific seating position, and dim headlights are all the same on the GT.

I was very very hopeful about Ford catching up to EU and JP cars. If the Mustang is any indication, they are not even close.

 

[72SBC]

New 5.0 is a beast. New Camaro is lulz.

 

[Mille Racer 69]

It's a fucking movie, people. If you purchased a car based on a terrible trilogy of crappy movie robots, you fail at being an intelligent consumer. Somewhere, some idiot business major in a corporate marketing department is smiling all the way to the bank.

What!?
Are you saying Hollywood can put out movies to the public that didn't actually happen!?

My opinion is based on longevity, how easy it is to gets parts and cost of ownership.
I would rather have a few GM electrical issues than a Dodge/Chrystler/Jeep transmission
going out every few years, or having to make several trips
to a shop with a Ford that has a problem with seemingly no fix.
as said, my new work van with 9,000 miles is leaking.
luckily it's under warranty.
However, I would get a Ford before a dodge,
but I would get a Nissan before a ford.
I own a Silverado that is a bitchin truck and has had few issues.

 

[72SBC]

Really now? These are the very best versions of the Mustang and Camaro ever.

Wut? Not even close.

Best Mustang

Best Camaro

 

[Arminius]

Driving the new (base) Mustang was one of my more disappointing experiences this year. Before you point out that the V8 would've been better, I'll say the engine was the least disappointing thing about it. The terrible body roll, the unbelievably rubber steering, the painfully slow transmission, horrific seating position, and dim headlights are all the same on the GT.

I was very very hopeful about Ford catching up to EU and JP cars. If the Mustang is any indication, they are not even close.

It's funny that none of the reviews I've read blast the Mustang the way you did. I can't imagine the headlights are as dim as you say they are and even if they were it is a pretty cheap upgrade to HID lights. I'll take the Mustang V6 over the plane jane Accords, Camrys, and low end Bimmers any day of the week. This is coming from someone that's had a 550i not too long ago. It was a fantastic car but at nearly 3X the price of a Mustang V6 it should be.

 

[Caddywumpus]

ok- base trim vs base trim?

Mustang makes more horsepower and is lighter.

That being said- JUKE

 

[Ratters]

Wut? Not even close.

Best Mustang

The Boss 429 is one of my dream cars, but by any realistic comparison, a new GT500 will absolutly stomp it in acceleration, handling, reliability, and fuel economy. In fact a Mustang GT probably would as well. With that said, the Boss still wins in the cool factor.

 

[Wormwood]

This is the highest-performing Camaro and the most technically advanced car ever developed in its class.

The ZL1 is powered by the LSA 6.2-liter supercharged V-8 engine, which will produce an estimated 550 horsepower and 550 lb.ft. of torque. Built on GM’s legendary all-aluminum, small-block V-8 architecture, the engine features an intercooled supercharger system, premium heat-resistant aluminum-alloy cylinder heads and other details designed to ensure its exceptional performance is delivered with smoothness and refinement.

The ZL1 name is derived from the all-aluminum racing engine of the same name, which was developed in the late 1960s and installed into a handful of regular-production 1969 Camaros. Only 69 were built with the engine, but they’ve achieved mythical status among enthusiasts, as they represented the pinnacle in Camaro performance – until now. The 2012 ZL1 model is designed to be a major leap forward for the Camaro, bringing a new level of performance capability to the segment.

It will also be the most technologically advanced with a highly developed chassis and suspension capable of handling the extreme power.

Source
http://customauto.com/blog/2011-Hot-New-Cars/the-extreme-chevrolet-camaro-lz1-customauto-com-hot-new-cars-2011-2012.aspx

 

[72SBC]

The Boss 429 is one of my dream cars, but by any realistic comparison, a new GT500 will absolutly stomp it in acceleration, handling, reliability, and fuel economy. In fact a Mustang GT probably would as well. With that said, the Boss still wins in the cool factor.

Absolutley, but it all comes down to what you rather own. That being said I think the new GT500's rock.

 

[frozenduc]

The CamAro is the now defunct GTO platform from Holden. It's too big for my likes.

The Mustang still has that $5 straight axle. It'd way past due for that BS to go in favor of a decent independent rear.

 

[Mike95060]

The Mustang still has that $5 straight axle. It'd way past due for that BS to go in favor of a decent independent rear.

I have a feeling the drag racing and some of the road racing community would disagree with you.

 

[ohio]

It's funny that none of the reviews I've read blast the Mustang the way you did.

That's part of the reason I was so disappointed. My expectations had been set pretty high. The reviews had been stellar.

No doubt the performance NUMBERS are great for the price. That's what happens when you put a powerful engine and wide tires on any car - which is what it feels like. At a stop sign, if you pull the steering wheel to 3 o'clock and let go, it will literally oscillate back and forth between 11 and 1 several times. The steering is not only worse than my 89 Porsche 951 (admittedly one of the best handling cars of all time), it is worse then my old Lesbaru Forester, and worse than my old 87 Toyota 4Runner.

I guess that's what a pony car is, but then reviews should REALLY shy away from comparing it to imports. It's nowhere close. I can imagine if you pull the overboosted and undamped power steering pump, and put some shock dampers on the car that contained actual valves, it may improve drastically, but as is I found it undriveable.

 

[fast4d]

mine had pretty big balls.....then I went turbo for even bigger ones.

 

[rsrider]

That's what happens when you put a powerful engine and wide tires on any car -

That sums up just about every muscle car made, except you had to put on the wide tires.

 

[TheRobSJ]

The likelihood of me buying one of these two cars next year to be my new daily driver is pretty damn good.

In the car world, nothing sparks debate more than Ford vs. Chevy. Then Mustang vs. Camaro even more so. As a 100% history GM owner, loyalty would have me pick the 'Maro as the obvious choice. But I really just am not sure still. And cost isnt a big factor since i can get a employee cost for either one (hooray for dealer groups!).

Each car has it's pluses and minuses. I've kicked the tires, read the numbers, and actually driven both the cars. So I'll go through what I've observed from them both for you all. For the most part, this is all hard evidence and really can't be disputed by anyone other than the truly hardheaded.

Camaro advantages:
Arguably is has the more aggressive head turning body.
Four wheel independent suspension overall is better for ride and handling.
Big ass V8 has a broader powerband. Less shifting if you feel lazy.
Heads up display is safer and just flat out cool.
GM 5yr/100k powertrain warranty.

Camaro disadvantages:
Aggressively styled body with high door lines sacrifices a lot of visibility.
"Retro" design interior gives you funky gauge look and placement. And no navigation option.
Heavier curb weight kills mileage and performance.
Ridiculous small trunk opening and size.

Mustang advantages:
Subdued styling makes for better visibility and easier to drive.
5.0 has a sound that makes you won't mind having to shift a little more to stay in the powerband.
Much more practical/usable interior with navigation and Sync option.
Boss 302 (if you can find one) is best pony car bang for buck ever.
Stock to stock Mustang V8 can edge out Camaro V8 in drag race.

Mustang disadvantages:
First year of all new "coyote" V8 pretty much unproven in real world for durability.
Live rear axle has gone quite a ways over the past century, but is at it's limitations.
Navigation/Sync option has proven to be very buggy in all Fords. (Thanks Microsoft!)
GT500 horrible gas mileage and tops $50k.


Advantages to both:
V6 models get 30mpg. And only need 87 octane!
Over 300hp so easily blow past the sea of Accords, Camrys, and Altimas out on the road.
Can be had for less than $30k
Have option packages to look almost like V8 models.
Convertibles look good and are cheap open top cruising.
Pretty low maintenance compared to import cars.

Disadvantages to both:
Back seats are torture racks to anyone classified as a grown up.
Cheap looking/feeling materials abound.
Once you get one you have to hear non stop from the other camp about how much better their pick is.

 

[Beauregard]

This thread is Pirate Gay. It's that awesome.

 

[augustiron]

This thread is Pirate Gay. It's that awesome.

 

[954Rider]

The likelihood of me buying one of these two cars next year to be my new daily driver is pretty damn good.

In the car world, nothing sparks debate more than Ford vs. Chevy. Then Mustang vs. Camaro even more so. As a 100% history GM owner, loyalty would have me pick the 'Maro as the obvious choice. But I really just am not sure still. And cost isnt a big factor since i can get a employee cost for either one (hooray for dealer groups!).

Each car has it's pluses and minuses. I've kicked the tires, read the numbers, and actually driven both the cars. So I'll go through what I've observed from them both for you all. For the most part, this is all hard evidence and really can't be disputed by anyone other than the truly hardheaded.

Camaro advantages:
Arguably is has the more aggressive head turning body.
Four wheel independent suspension overall is better for ride and handling.
Big ass V8 has a broader powerband. Less shifting if you feel lazy.
Heads up display is safer and just flat out cool.
GM 5yr/100k powertrain warranty.

Camaro disadvantages:
Aggressively styled body with high door lines sacrifices a lot of visibility.
"Retro" design interior gives you funky gauge look and placement. And no navigation option.
Heavier curb weight kills mileage and performance.
Ridiculous small trunk opening and size.

Mustang advantages:
Subdued styling makes for better visibility and easier to drive.
5.0 has a sound that makes you won't mind having to shift a little more to stay in the powerband.
Much more practical/usable interior with navigation and Sync option.
Boss 302 (if you can find one) is best pony car bang for buck ever.
Stock to stock Mustang V8 can edge out Camaro V8 in drag race.

Mustang disadvantages:
First year of all new "coyote" V8 pretty much unproven in real world for durability.
Live rear axle has gone quite a ways over the past century, but is at it's limitations.
Navigation/Sync option has proven to be very buggy in all Fords. (Thanks Microsoft!)
GT500 horrible gas mileage and tops $50k.


Advantages to both:
V6 models get 30mpg. And only need 87 octane!
Over 300hp so easily blow past the sea of Accords, Camrys, and Altimas out on the road.
Can be had for less than $30k
Have option packages to look almost like V8 models.
Convertibles look good and are cheap open top cruising.
Pretty low maintenance compared to import cars.

Disadvantages to both:
Back seats are torture racks to anyone classified as a grown up.
Cheap looking/feeling materials abound.
Once you get one you have to hear non stop from the other camp about how much better their pick is.

My 335i with a tune smokes both the Mustang GT and SS Camaro.