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Civil Disobediance

Meter Man said:
Yep. But it isn't a felony or a misdemeanor. When one chooses to
Ignore laws, one should know the possible outcomes beforehand.


It is quite sad that people yell troll when they don't like the discussion. The real
Troll is one who screams troll in a thread because they can't or don't want to provide a legitimate counterpoint.
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Well, most people will follow the legal system without question, which is funny when you challenge their blind servitude. I would mountain bike on illegal trails which were ok for horse damage but not tires, and while I always rode safely and respectfully, once in a while a snotty hiker would say, "You know this trail is illegal to bikes..."

My response was, and this worked great several years ago, "Hey gay marriage is illegal in California. Are you against gay marriage?" They would choke when I posed this challenge to their beliefs.

On the other hand, when you decide to step out from the laws, you expose yourself to more legal attention.

Paper plates are not regularly enforced but it could change...

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Laws are there to ensure that there is some standard way of doing things, and a standard way to enforce accountability. A moral, ethical person may not need laws, depending on his or her morals and ethics.
It is possible to drive responsibly without a driver's license, do you consider a driver's license as too much governmental interference? After all a responsible, an ethical driver/rider does not need a piece of documentation to drive/ride well.
 
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better to be a licensed and insured rider on a bike without a license plate than an unlicensed and uninsured rider on a bike with a plate.
 
Biga said:
Here is a good one,
Just arrived in USA, I had a ford Escort with Expired tags, the car wasn't in my name (signed title only) no insurance, speeding, drunk with open beer in the car and I could only speak broken english.
BTW, I was leaving in Little Rock, Arkansas, and the cops pulled me over. He asked for my documents and all I had was the ones from Brazil, where I come from. He told me that none of those documents could be helpful here in the USA so he asked me to get out of the car.
When I did the first question he asked was if I had been drinking and without hesitation I answered: YES SIR! (common, it was Friday night!) so he looked at his partner and said: "I like that"
We talked for a bit more and he said this...
Boy, I'll let you go but I need to tell you 3 things before you go
1. Slow Down!!!
2. When you drink, Don't drive!!!
and 3rd and last thing... If I didn't liked you bumper sticker that much, you would get in jail right now boy!!!!
The bumper sticker said (Don't a PUSSY!)
:rofl
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You gotta love Southern justice. :laughing
 
Biga said:
Here is a good one,
Just arrived in USA, I had a ford Escort with Expired tags, the car wasn't in my name (signed title only) no insurance, speeding, drunk with open beer in the car and I could only speak broken english.
BTW, I was leaving in Little Rock, Arkansas, and the cops pulled me over. He asked for my documents and all I had was the ones from Brazil, where I come from. He told me that none of those documents could be helpful here in the USA so he asked me to get out of the car.
When I did the first question he asked was if I had been drinking and without hesitation I answered: YES SIR! (common, it was Friday night!) so he looked at his partner and said: "I like that"
We talked for a bit more and he said this...
Boy, I'll let you go but I need to tell you 3 things before you go
1. Slow Down!!!
2. When you drink, Don't drive!!!
and 3rd and last thing... If I didn't liked you bumper sticker that much, you would get in jail right now boy!!!!
The bumper sticker said (Don't a PUSSY!)
:rofl
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BTW, I think this is a great story, but you won't hear too many people bragging about a typical response by the police: "oh I drove drunk without insurance or a license, and I did 30 days in jail"
 
sanjuro said:
BTW, I think this is a great story, but you won't hear too many people bragging about a typical response by the police: "oh I drove drunk without insurance or a license, and I did 30 days in jail"
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That one did have a foreign license
 
Meter Man said:
License plates serve no purpose on motorcycles ...
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"The smoker you drink, the player you get." -- Joe Walsh

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sanjuro said:
Well, most people will follow the legal system without question, which is funny when you challenge their blind servitude. I would mountain bike on illegal trails which were ok for horse damage but not tires, and while I always rode safely and respectfully, once in a while a snotty hiker would say, "You know this trail is illegal to bikes..."

My response was, and this worked great several years ago, "Hey gay marriage is illegal in California. Are you against gay marriage?" They would choke when I posed this challenge to their beliefs.

On the other hand, when you decide to step out from the laws, you expose yourself to more legal attention.

Paper plates are not regularly enforced but it could change...
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I'd have thrown your stupid mountain bike off a cliff. Then made you my wife. :laughing
 
Lol - "Civil Disobedience" I find it hard to believe any rational individual could say that about not running a plate without a smirk on their face. IMO it's not "Civil Disobedience" to intentionally remove a license plate; it's more of a "If they can't run my plate, they can't track me down" mentality.

No different then the guys who tuck their plates to the inside of the rear fender so that it can't be seen while they're driving. That's only done for 2 reasons: to make it very hard or impossible to note the number if seen breaking the law; to make it look like you break the law (as in: "I'm a bad ass on a moto). Not that you're not a bad ass on a moto, my comments are cued only by this thread.

Meter Man said:
License plates serve no purpose on motorcycles except for automated traffic enforcement, surveillance and misc items that are not safety related.

Why should Anyone submit?
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Explain how license plates are arbitrary and unnecessary. Yeah, I know you said they're there for "automated traffic enforcement, surveillance and misc items that are not safety related." Traffic law enforcement is not always automated, it takes a cop will see you speeding, pulling wheelies, recklessly driving, endangering the public etc. Surveillance only applies if you're suspect of some misdoing (see previous). Please list "misc items that are not safety related". Why submit? Rhetorical question is rhetorical.

Meter Man said:
What accountability is missing for a motorcycle without a plate?
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The accountability of not being afraid to say, "Yea, that's me, I have nothing to hide."

You may not have intended this to be a troll, but you've done a great job so far! :thumbup
 
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I agree with the OP. Plates are a perceived public benefit that are too easily abused by the state. Then again, riding is a privilege, not a right. And then again, there are bigger fish to fry. And then again again, there are enough frying pans to fry all the fish. So I say soldier on OP, and perhaps someday we will all pee on cheese.
 
I could care less about motorcycles without plates, but cars and trucks are far more distinctive, so it really bothers me when people don't register and plat there cars.

If there was a good way to report them, I would.
 
Meter Man said:
Yep. But it isn't a felony or a misdemeanor. When one chooses to
Ignore laws, one should know the possible outcomes beforehand.


It is quite sad that people yell troll when they don't like the discussion. The real
Troll is one who screams troll in a thread because they can't or don't want to provide a legitimate counterpoint.
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i mean it's not like you said "FUCK YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL MEEEE" all Rage Against the Machine Style, when he told you to put the plate back on.

My guess is you nodded your head feigning compliance and greased the squeaky axle in this particular scenario.
 
I got pulled over by moto sfpd when I first got my RC51 back in '05. me and the old lady get off the bike. I reach for my wallet as he does a "walk around" clearly checking out the new hotness:leghump that is the first non-red/silver combo RC51:love

he asks me how long I've had the bike, I think it was a couple weeks at that point, I tell him. he then says he pulled me over because I had no plate and he had never seen a bike with no plates with an aftermarket exhaust already on the bike:laughing

the bike came with pre-installed Remus GP CF pipes:leghump pure sex when you hear the thing riding away...'cept when I sold it:cry
 
I never signed a social contract. I currently have a plate because I want to have as few interactions with police as possible. Because I like not being dead.
 
badjoojoo said:
I never signed a social contract. I currently have a plate because I want to have as few interactions with police as possible. Because I like not being dead.
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I'd say that if you generally obey the rules of the road (I.e. don't ride on freeways in the wrong direction, or blindly run red lights)' then you have impicitly entered into a social contract.

If you have a valid drivers license, they you explictitly signed that contract with your DL signature.
 
cfives said:
I'd say that if you generally obey the rules of the road (I.e. don't ride on freeways in the wrong direction, or blindly run red lights)' then you have impicitly entered into a social contract.

If you have a valid drivers license, they you explictitly signed that contract with your DL signature.
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Yes, I signed something to get my DL, but that's not the "social contract" I was referring to. And yes, driving on public roads is an implicit agreement to obey the rules. This is akin to the implicit contract one makes when eating dinner in a restaurant. You are obligated to pay that debt.

But no, there was talk early on about a social contract, which is a Hobbesien construct used to defend all manner of evil. This is the one I was referring to. Maybe someone gave me a crayon and pointed to it when I was 4, or 5, but I just don't remember.
 
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