haha i had this same arguement with a guy i work with. supposedly it helps keep people from passing you
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Close one on Pinehurst - another effing M4M thread/rant
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haha i had this same arguement with a guy i work with. supposedly it helps keep people from passing you
that's exactly what i told him.
B-Cuz
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This is funny.
#1. People in ALL vehicles have been driving/riding like idiots on those roads since they were paved.
#2. BARFers REGULARLY ride like idiots on those roads. (they just don't film/youtube it)
#3. Rarely will you get a BARFer to admit they ride like an idiot and apologize for it.
There is a multitude of accidents on the Bay roads EVERY week inconveniencing, traumatizing, pissing off the public. There are ass loads of tickets issued on these roads EVERY day to idiot RIDERS.
To act as if this guy, and his friends, are going to eliminate or endanger your hot spot because of their behavior is ridiculous.
I do believe it is the flagrancy in which such jackassery is taking place that is the underlying issue.
CobramanPhil
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Drifting is not really about racing. To be honest it shouldn't be used in the same sentence as racing.
Drifting is about "style"...whether you have pizazzz while sliding the back end around a corner or not. There are some instances in tight turns that require one's car to drift a little, but it is out of necessity and not for the sake of just sliding the car.
Drifting= bell bottom jeans - They don't have to be that loose, but they ever sooooo cool (back in the days
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CobramanPhil
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True. For us it is common knowledge that anywhere near a DL is definitely DUMB. Divz sort of looks forward to the crossing of the DL...
...only at night though..when nobody is around
MysterYvil
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GMCSID, my hat is off to you!
THANK YOU for being reasonable and for taking the time to make positive, constructive efforts that may well reward everyone who uses those roads.It may sound maudlin and/or naive, but I think if more folks took the approach that you did we'd all have a better place to ride/drive/cycle/walk/et cetera.
Moike
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It's akin to trials riding. It's all about vehicle control at the limit and beyond.
I've had the chance to become friends with several of the 'on track only' drift racers who participate in the regular events down at Willow Springs on the figure 8 oval and up on the Balcony.
These guys take what they do seriously, they're very organized, and once you understand the concept of what they are doing and how everything works... it's an automotive discipline just like any other. I have a good deal of respect for those that I've met.
They have just as much dislike for those in their own subculture who prefer the street as their own personal 'racetrack' for their drifting activities as opposed to coming to the often held and not expensive activities they host.
The same way we dislike the asshats in our own two wheeled subculture who prefer to treat the hill like the apex of every corner is striped red and white and there is a trophy to be won at the top... when there are trackdays nearly every weekend from 1/2 a dozen different trackday organizers.
We should make an effort police our own in the interest of our own image, and make sure to pass it on to the more mature of the bunch when someone in a particular subculture is giving the rest a bad name.
It's as easy as that.
Nemo Brinker
Tonight we ride
Dave--
I understand your rage. I've been hit twice now by incautious drivers, and while my injuries weren't anywhere near as severe as yours, I've been caused a lot of pain by the inattentiveness, carelessness, and disproportionate effect of a large mass of flying metal encountering my soft little body.
Such asshattery does not go down lightly. A dipshit driver's 15 minutes of ill-informed, low-skill fun can mean bloody, violent, sudden death for another human being--and it nearly did. And you would have to look hard to find as good-hearted and skilled a rider as Kurt.
gmcskid and Connie and Kurt--bravo for your wisdom and balance and willingness to open up a very difficult dialogue. That's one of the things that really helps change for the better occur.
Divz: It was a really good start for you to have owned up and fessed up and waited on Redwood to talk. But your current words don't match your documented past actions. Now you have a bad situation on your hands, and the choice is yours: will you keep doing what you've been doing, living in denial, until you kill or maim someone? Or will you use this opportunity to listen, really change your driving habits, learn more about driving at the track, and redeem yourself?
I know which choice I want. Do you?
I understand your rage. I've been hit twice now by incautious drivers, and while my injuries weren't anywhere near as severe as yours, I've been caused a lot of pain by the inattentiveness, carelessness, and disproportionate effect of a large mass of flying metal encountering my soft little body.
Such asshattery does not go down lightly. A dipshit driver's 15 minutes of ill-informed, low-skill fun can mean bloody, violent, sudden death for another human being--and it nearly did. And you would have to look hard to find as good-hearted and skilled a rider as Kurt.
gmcskid and Connie and Kurt--bravo for your wisdom and balance and willingness to open up a very difficult dialogue. That's one of the things that really helps change for the better occur.
Divz: It was a really good start for you to have owned up and fessed up and waited on Redwood to talk. But your current words don't match your documented past actions. Now you have a bad situation on your hands, and the choice is yours: will you keep doing what you've been doing, living in denial, until you kill or maim someone? Or will you use this opportunity to listen, really change your driving habits, learn more about driving at the track, and redeem yourself?
I know which choice I want. Do you?
sliverstorm
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God forbid! If we had more young drivers in the hills driving slow shitty cars, they might actually learn to be good, fast drivers!!!
We can't have that!!!
SurfAwave69
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^^
I had a great time in High School driving my GEO Prizm LSI
I miss that car.
I had a great time in High School driving my GEO Prizm LSI
I miss that car.
This is funny.
#1. People in ALL vehicles have been driving/riding like idiots on those roads since they were paved.
#2. BARFers REGULARLY ride like idiots on those roads. (they just don't film/youtube it
#3. Rarely will you get a BARFer to admit they ride like an idiot and apologize for it.
There is a multitude of accidents on the Bay roads EVERY week inconveniencing, traumatizing, pissing off the public. There are ass loads of tickets issued on these roads EVERY day to idiot RIDERS.
To act as if this guy, and his friends, are going to eliminate or endanger your hot spot because of their behavior is ridiculous.
THIS IS NOT MASAKI BUT A FRIEND AND A FORMER SCCA DRIVER.
this is the only quote that i agree with. i wanna make this short so excuse my choice of words.
these are my thoughts about this incident and everyone who posted negative things on this thread. some of you may get offended by this. i feel everyone on this forum has way to much time on there hands and this forum must be really dead if this incident blew up so big.
seems like a ass thing to say right? but check this out i know a nurse at a hospital whos job is to write reports for accidents and she told me she gets an average of 15 motorcycle accidents a day. you can never take riding a motorcycle lightly. even if you are the safest rider in the world. most cars arent looking out for bikes. most cars dont even see bikes half the time.
it annoys me how all of you are saying he is just sorry he got caught for you to say that shows me you are the type of person to make judgements about someone before even getting to know them. and you most see nothing but evil in everyone. he is truly sorry and admits he made a mistake which is what this is a mistake! you act like he knew a biker was going to be on that turn so he cut in to hit him! i could completely understnad if someone died or got hurt. but this how thread turned into a what if you hit him or you know what could of happened if you did this.
nothing happened. no ones perfect! you all act like you never made a dumb mistake and regreted it. when it comes down to it no one is perfect. do you all chase down every person that cuts you off or almost hits you on the regular roads? those are called accidents if it makes you that angry i think you should take anger management classes. im not sayig it doesnt make me angry but not to this extent.
also for you to try to talk about not only him but his friends who HAD NOTHING to do AT ALL with this incident is fucking stupid. that part of this thread made me especially mad. GET A lIFE! NO STALKERS! and you all say "oh take it to the track or scca" i drove both and driving around cones just doesnt do it for most drivers. and point me out the nearest track where i dont have to spend 300 to drive on. most people dont have time and money to drive so many miles and spend money to get in. on top of that you have to pay for gas you will use up tires and brakes so thats more money you have to spend!
just so you guys know theres alot more people that drive as you would call it "wreckless" on these back roads that just his team. most car drivers drive the road to push take thier skills to a new level and test the car. crazy? is it not crazy to do most things? anything can be dangerous just depends on how you look at it. sleeping at home can be dangerous if the house cacthes on fire and no alrams go off. riders should be the last people who talk about dangerous behavior. ii give you all mad respect for riding around. cutting through traffic, wheelies on the freeway.
theres so much more i wish to talk about but i rather not get into it. just know he is truly sorry and just until you all can get the sand out of your vaginas about this situation(whoever accetped tje apology thank you and forget this part) him and his whole crew will lay low off redwood and pinehurst.
i just would like you all to know that if anything happens to any of the cars or people in his crew you have all gave us enough evidence to take legal actions. thanks to all the hot heads that sent youtube/myspace messages full of threats. and thanks for the creepy invasion of privacy pics that we also saved. i hope you all can be more mature than a bunch of 19 year olds who admitted to making a mistake and were man enough to try and settle this dispute.
ps. we will not be on this forum anymore. he offered you all a chance to meet in person and no one accepted it so theres nothing else to say. everything that could have been said was said. we dont have a time machine to go back and stop this from happening and to tell him to stop driving that road just isnt a option. and even if he did so many ohter drivers are on the road and just as "wreckless"
Asphaultnaut
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so it's not racing, it's Olympic ice skating?
explains the emphasis on dressing up (the car) I guess.
explains the emphasis on dressing up (the car) I guess.
B-Cuz
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mrc
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Grow up, kids. You don't get to choose the terms of your skewering when you fuck up and get caught.
A wishy-washy apology, coupled with a total failure to understand why people are upset, doesn't win you the backrubs and handjobs you wanted?
So you get huffy, take your ball and go home? You get your friend to write your kiss-off from your account?
C'mon, you can do better than that.
Asphaultnaut
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I "get" trials riding (been watching that off and on since I saw a movie as a kid about "terrorists" invading a multistory building on trials machines), and I "get" figure 8 or Outlaw type dirt track events. I just don't "get" making a car's rear end break free long before a proper setup with equivalent tires should. Even rally drivers, or the guys running the Pikes Peak, use horsepower to break the rear end loose only because the corner is too narrow to be made without rotating the car on it's axis-nowhere on the street or even the track is that an issue. Even then, in rally offroading, it's not suspension setup as throttle used in steering.
But as someone earlier explained, it's about impressing judges, and not actually racing. In that framework, it makes sense. tho why guys into that sort of racing then brag about how fast their car is, or who take an AWD and force it to slip at any slightly aggressive corner, that's confusing. Kinda like guys who do donuts then complain their tires don't last..
But as someone earlier explained, it's about impressing judges, and not actually racing. In that framework, it makes sense. tho why guys into that sort of racing then brag about how fast their car is, or who take an AWD and force it to slip at any slightly aggressive corner, that's confusing. Kinda like guys who do donuts then complain their tires don't last..
Asphaultnaut
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the 3 cylinder Metro with a 5 speed was lots of fun too. Too bad it didn't like running at higher RPM's tho.
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I had a great time in High School driving my GEO Prizm LSI
I miss that car.
MysterYvil
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Oh man, you ain't kidding there! I once outran an '86 Shelby Charger (the turbo version) in mine, umm, err, wait, I guess I shouldn't tell the whole story in this thread...
Moike
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Josh Rogers ~ Owner, Scoot Quarterly Magazine, http://www.scootmagazine.com/ Taken out by a street 'drifter' in a Lexus 300 on the back side of Highway 9 while out reviewing a Laser R9 for the magazine.
The Lexus 300 crossed the double yellow when it lost control trying to drift and hit Josh head on.
This happened back in March 2nd of 2008... Josh is just now able to walk again, and won't ever be the same physically.
Yeah, taking it to the street is a great idea with a 3000 pound vehicle just to save a few bucks.
I look forward to your reply.
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