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Counter-Lean

NoQuarter said:
gotta give some props to guy for having the balls to post what's obviously gonna result in a flame fest.

really though, there's a lot of appropriate techniques and valid explanations in all that... for dirt bike riding. which could very well be a decent way to ride any two wheeler on unpredictable surfaces.

the idiocy of the whole post is suggesting people go out and practice such thing on street bikes on public roads. there's really no reason to be "building your confidence" with traction limits on the street.

buy, borrow or rent a dirt bike and tear that shit up all day at any of the local offroading parks and you'll learn everything and more about how to build confidence sliding a two wheeled machine around... and guess what? it's a helluva lot less painful to bin it in the dirt at 10mph on an XR100 practicing these things than it is at 50 on a 400lb streetbike in the streets. but to get all "scientfic" for you... the physics of traction, suspension, "perfect body suspension" and all that jazz are exactly the same. the limits are just far lower on dirt and therefore far easier to access, exceed, correct, and learn.

happy riding all!
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That's how I see it...I'm not about to read the "essay" and I haven't read the posts after your's.

Counter lean is 100% right in the dirt, and the tighter and closer the turns...the more it is the only way, to toss your bike though closely spaced trees and boulders.

Hanging off is right for the track (can be right for the track), something in between is right for the twisties...

Not doing it right for where one rides...is goofy :laughing
 
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Ahahahahahaah!!! I was just talking with someone who mentioned this thread. Hahahahahhaha!
 
Btw, it seems that people are under the impression that I endorsed "counter lean" riding... Any good rider will tell you that some situations require different actions... In the case of limited traction; absolutely, yes, no matter the bike, you should be on top of it and not hanging off the inside... But where traction is not compromised, then no, you should be getting your center of gravity in and low.
 
This is relevant to the thread title:

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com3 said:
Btw, it seems that people are under the impression that I endorsed "counter lean" riding... Any good rider will tell you that some situations require different actions... In the case of limited traction; absolutely, yes, no matter the bike, you should be on top of it and not hanging off the inside... But where traction is not compromised, then no, you should be getting your center of gravity in and low.
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Out of curiosity, is luk still riding?

This is my favorite thread on all of barf, it should really be in the best of barf section.
 
I guess I gotta spell it out for ya, laz... Like when I was coming over turn 5, limited rear grip, had I been counterleaned, I woulda lowsided off the rear instead of high. :twofinger

I'm talking about when you have a SUDDEN loss if grip, like a patch of dirt or something. Or a puddle when everything else is dry.

Trust me... Waaay easier to control a slide, front, rear, or both, when you're on top of the bike rather than hanging off the inside.
 
Stan... I dunno. After that afm race he did, I've not heard of or from him since.
 
Z3n said:
I'm not stan, bish! :twofinger

The racetrack is a harsh mistress. :laughing
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My bad, conan.. I didn't even look at name... For some reason your bobblelid looked like a monopod dog out of the corner of my eye. Hahaha
 
com3 said:
I guess I gotta spell it out for ya, laz... Like when I was coming over turn 5, limited rear grip, had I been counterleaned, I woulda lowsided off the rear instead of high. :twofinger

I'm talking about when you have a SUDDEN loss if grip, like a patch of dirt or something. Or a puddle when everything else is dry.

Trust me... Waaay easier to control a slide, front, rear, or both, when you're on top of the bike rather than hanging off the inside.
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:thumbup :thumbup :thumbup :thumbup (that's two thumbs up doubled :cool)
 
com3 said:
Trust me... Waaay easier to control a slide, front, rear, or both, when you're on top of the bike rather than hanging off the inside.
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No way. All the flat track guys are just too stupid to watch a road race. :laughing
 
Dude, you were sliding the rear BECAUSE you counterlean. You decreased the ground clearance, increased the side loading on the tire, basically you are helping the tire slide out in the turn. Good luck with that.
 
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