Draggin jeans: Anyone fall down in them.???

[Gabe]

Ahhh Gabe...There is a ton of screwball thinking there...But your younger than me, and...still have a lot to learn...

How old will you be when you learn how to use punctuation correctly?

 

[redtail]

Well that made no sense

Sorry dude, you really missed ilikefood's point. The point is the level of risk people are willing to accept, how far do we go when we judge others, and others judge us as motorcyclists? There are those who feel motorcycles are too dangerous regardless of what the rider does or doesn't wear.

 

[Wolf]

I bought a pair for putting around town on work days or a casual City jaunt for a meal or whatever on a weekend.

I sure know they are not leathers and the protection will be no where near as good, but thought I would ask teh barf if any booms in them are on record.

Thanks in advance.

Fall down? Don't they prevent that?

 

[budman]

So far they have

See you in April!

 

[Z3n]

I don't have an issue with the levels of risk argument, just it doesn't make a damn bit of sense. All my gear takes under 1 minute to go from nothing to ready to go. Boots (3 velcro tabs and a zipper), 2 zippers on the aerostitch, helmet, gloves, done. 40 seconds or so to take it all off if I'm not shoving it in a top case.

A locking 40ish liter topcase is maybe 500 bucks, including mounting fittings, for just about any bike under the sun. Normal clothes under the aerostitch, shoes in the topcase, topcase open, shoes on the ground, aerostitch off, into the case, gloves in the helmet, helmet in, step out of boots into shoes, boots in the topcase, off you go. Maybe 1 minute of total time to get transformed back into street gear. You save more time than that being able to park closer than you would in a car.

Jeans aren't business clothes, so that doesn't hold up either, all of the jeans that are actually protective are pretty bulky. If they're not skintight, they're going to shift around and you're going to get road rash. If they don't have armor, you're going to bust up your body parts on botts dots and curbs, and at that point, you still look like kinda like a goon. Certainly not going to pass for "casual", or "not a a victim of horrific, bulbous knee cancer".

 

[Wolf]

So far they have

See you in April!

 

[Ahab]

Thanks guys. Some good info.

For me too.. running into meeting and such I cannot stash over pants or stuff. I do have knee guards at the office I will throw on if I have to hit a freeway and then just leave on the bike.. if they get stolen well F That Guy!

I recommend you have armor/knee- and shin guards all the time, not just freeway. My crash was first gear pulling into the parking position. Enough for a hole to inspect the muscles along my tibia, and a knee twice as big as usual. Both blunt force trauma, Kevlar alone would not have helped.

 

[ilikefood]

Well that made no sense, but good try.

Wow, that really went over your head, huh? What I wrote made no sense because it was based on your argument, taking it just one logical step further. It is your argument that makes no sense.

A car has airbags, a steel frame, glass, plastic and occasionally leather or other fabrics to protect you against collision. It's also supported on twice the amount of rubber, has much greater visibility, and is all around safer.

Right, driving a car is much safer than riding a motorcycle with the right gear head-to-toe. So if you care so much about safety, why stop at riding a motorcycle with the right gear head-to-toe? Why not be even safer and drive a car instead?

The only thing that makes you safer on a motorcycle is your gear, so your saying it's smart to be as lax on your gear as possible, because you don't want to go the extra mile for the correct level of protection that could possibly save your life?

If that's the case, you should go out to your car, if you have one, and remove the seat belts, air bags, windows, and convert the frame from steel to aluminum and then drive your family around in it. Cause that is equivalent to downgrading your protection when riding a motorcycle.

If you really believe that wearing sub par gear isn't really a greater risk for yourself and your future, you should go out on a pair of real leathers and then a pair of jeans and go get hit by a car wearing each of those and report back how it goes

I have never said that wearing "sub par gear" isn't more risky. Of course it is more risky. More and better gear is safer, but it's also less convenient. Everyone feels differently about that trade-off between safety and convenience, and everyone will make a different decision about what to wear when. You make a decision on that trade-off too, when you decide to ride a motorcycle instead of driving a car. It's a spectrum that goes from riding a motorcycle in flipflops and shorts, to riding a motorcycle in full gear, to driving an SUV with 20 airbags. You happen to be comfortable with the risk and reward of riding a motorcycle in full leather gear. Someone else might be comfortable with the risk and reward of driving a car with crumple zones and airbags, and think that you riding a motorcycle is crazy. And yet another person might be comfortable with sometimes riding a motorcycle in a leather jacket and Kevlar jeans. It's a personal choice, and your choice can be different than mine, and that's fine. There are no objective "right answers" here. So do you see why you telling people what they should or shouldn't wear is kinda obnoxious?

 

[fast4d]

I thought I was a judgemental mofo. I read this then I realize maybe not so much.

I wear full leathers, all the time. In the movies, resteraunts, social gatherings, hanging out. If I don't want to wear full leathers, I get a ride, ride a bike, take my car. I realize not everyone has a second mode of transportation. They should buy a backpack, and carry a second change of clothes.

If you feel 'weird' wearing the proper gear to save your life for a family gathering, maybe you should figure out alternatives instead of risking your life. Or your limbs? Know what costs more than convenience or your ego? Your limbs. Skin grafts. Just my opinion. I realize many don't feel the same. But I know for a fact I'd be dead right now if I hadn't worn proper gear. Or atleast severely handicapped. And all from accident that happened on the days I didn't expect them.

But atleast if you do buy this stuff your buying motocycle armored pants and not just being a dumbass wearing normal jeans. To the store and stuff I can see the inconvenience. Do whatever floats your boat. Just realize you can get rear ended by a car at any speed. And I definitely want to be wearing the best stuff when I fly off and hit a pole or go through a rear windshield

 

[psychocandy]

The guys over at Hell For Leather really like those Deth Killers. I'm pretty sure at least one of the guys has even crash tested a pair. I thought there availability was pretty limited but they were still making them.

I rock these when I'm on the bike & wanna wear jeans. Deth Killers Slim Guy... (sadly, don't know if these are available anymore)

If I want armor, then I don't wear these - I wear my Dainese textile or leathers...

 

[S1KGSXR600]

I see that your rather upset. Dunno why. Your over there seemingly foaming at the mouth. Im laying in my bed eating steak and petting my dog.

You seem so determined to be right. I couldn't figure out why and then saw that you ride a Ducati - now I see why your so upset. You probably always know best.

Judge mental? Not being judge mental. People can wear whatever they want, and I'll ride with them. I've simply been stating my opinion - that if you downgrade your safety for a simple means of convenience, when there are plenty of alternatives that you could do to NOT have to compromise your safety - and that if your wearing jeans, Kevlar or not, your putting yourself at greater risk. I don't care what you wear. Wear a full metal suit of armor, or zoom around in a speedo. It's your medical bill.

But this is an open discussion forum and I will speak my mind. Because thousands of people will read this thread from now, to the end of this websites life - and if me speaking my opinion on the matter can stop a new rider from being convinced that dragging jeans will be an equally safe choice as full on leathers, then I've done my part

My argument is simply this: If your gunna do something super risky, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY BE AS PROTECTED AS POSSIBLE. I mean, a beekeeper wears a bee suit to be protected right? But you could probably get the honey without the suit, it's just a worse idea. Does it mean you shouldn't wear a suit? Because the suit takes a lot of work to get on and off? Because THAT is what YOUR saying. But it's cool, cause you can still get the honey.

Get mad

 

[Darkness!]

Budman, Why not try these out underneath an existing pair of jeans?

https://www.bohnarmor.com/catalog/bohn-bodyguard-system.php

I have the adventure pants and end up using those most of the time for going to school in the city. They're comfortable, convenient and offer most of the protection of overpants. You do want to have a little room underneath your jeans.

 

[louemc]

Unfortunately Gabe has it right. Good gear helps with the scapes and scratches but it's not going to save your life in most circumstances. I'm glad that young people are better informed and wearing their gear. It sure helps with minor crashes and can provide protection from painful injuries.
Having said that, the NHRA lets me race in jacket and jeans if I don't go over 120 MPH or 9.99 ET, they must know something? I don't race in jacket and jeans (don't look at my avatar) but the choice is there...

Gabe must have it right, in your world...He doesn't have it right, in mine.

In my world What you hit, and how you hit it, is defined.

And, there is a lot of flesh and bones, on and in that body...It isn't just brain matter in a scull.

Mangle that body in a crash, could very well put a stop to you going to work again,
or living what type of life you were accustomed to.

But..if that is right to you....

 

[louemc]

I hope S1KGSXR600 can ignore the BARF chowderheads, that come out to play.

I'd hate to see that voice of reason, leave in disgust....

 

[afm199]

You do realize that the only protective gear shown to significantly reduce fatality rates is the helmet, right? If you hit a pole or get rear-ended by a car at anything faster than 15 or 20 mph you will probably die, no matter what you're wearing.

So be smug in your make-believe armor. Obviously, it has some ability to protect you from injury, but it's very limited, especially when you compare it to a car. Being self-righteous when you have maybe 10% more protection seems a little silly to me.

Many of us aren't concerned about fatality as much as severe bodily injury. My worst injuries have been knee injuries, I just won't ride without knee protection. All it takes is one good whack you're on the way to a painful operation and six months of rehab.

 

[ZCrow]

I see that your rather upset. Dunno why. Your over there seemingly foaming at the mouth. Im laying in my bed eating steak and petting my dog.

You seem so determined to be right. I couldn't figure out why and then saw that you ride a Ducati - now I see why your so upset. You probably always know best.

Judge mental? Not being judge mental. People can wear whatever they want, and I'll ride with them. I've simply been stating my opinion - that if you downgrade your safety for a simple means of convenience, when there are plenty of alternatives that you could do to NOT have to compromise your safety - and that if your wearing jeans, Kevlar or not, your putting yourself at greater risk. I don't care what you wear. Wear a full metal suit of armor, or zoom around in a speedo. It's your medical bill.

But this is an open discussion forum and I will speak my mind. Because thousands of people will read this thread from now, to the end of this websites life - and if me speaking my opinion on the matter can stop a new rider from being convinced that dragging jeans will be an equally safe choice as full on leathers, then I've done my part

My argument is simply this: If your gunna do something super risky, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY BE AS PROTECTED AS POSSIBLE. I mean, a beekeeper wears a bee suit to be protected right? But you could probably get the honey without the suit, it's just a worse idea. Does it mean you shouldn't wear a suit? Because the suit takes a lot of work to get on and off? Because THAT is what YOUR saying. But it's cool, cause you can still get the honey.

Get mad

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but the problem is absolutes. They just don't hold up in the real world. For instance, I happen to know a bee keeper that does not always wear a bee suit. Why? Because it is not always necessary. It depends on what she is doing with the hives. It's the same thing with riding. If I am hitting the highway, I am in full leather, etc. But I live and work in SF and either suiting up or wearing a textile suit for every occasion is not reasonable. If I am just zipping off to the cafe that is 10 minutes away, it's going to be in leather jacket with a back protector, gloves, boots and blue jeans. Sure I could be the weird guy that sips his cappuccino in full leathers (trust me I lived that life in my 20s) but is that really the right tool for job all the time?

No one said Kevlar jeans are as good as full armor. But they are definitely better than just denim and have uses for certain conditions.

 

[ZCrow]

...Jeans aren't business clothes, so that doesn't hold up either, all of the jeans that are actually protective are pretty bulky. If they're not skintight, they're going to shift around and you're going to get road rash. If they don't have armor, you're going to bust up your body parts on botts dots and curbs, and at that point, you still look like kinda like a goon. Certainly not going to pass for "casual", or "not a a victim of horrific, bulbous knee cancer".

Actually, that is not true. I work for a Fortune 500 Company and I wear blue jeans almost every day. In fact, many of the other big companies around my office do as well: Google, Amazon, Fitbit, etc. Not all of us can wear blue jeans to the office but in the Bay Area many of us can. Besides, many people don't work in offices anyway.

I completely agree on the armor point. No one is going to wear blue jeans with armor because you would just wear proper motorcycle pants if that were the case. Should anyone wear Kevlar blue jeans on the highway? Nope, that pushes the limits of their ability to even prevent road rash (the only thing they provide protection against). But for around town they have a function. We can't be dressed like gladiators for every coffee shop stop, errand, etc.

 

[GAJ]

I'm assuming the "my gear is better than your gear" crowd all wear air bag equipped gear and Leatt braces and ride bikes with ABS and TC.

If not, then you are making a very risky decision wearing your sub par gear on your sub par bikes.

 

[Ahab]

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I completely agree on the armor point. No one is going to wear blue jeans with armor because you would just wear proper motorcycle pants if that were the case. Should anyone wear Kevlar blue jeans on the highway? Nope, that pushes the limits of their ability to even prevent road rash (the only thing they provide protection against). But for around town they have a function. We can't be dressed like gladiators for every coffee shop stop, errand, etc.

I do wear motorcycle jeans with armor inside in the office often enough. Knees look bulky but my legs are not pretty anyway

If I do plan longer trips before or after work, or if I don't want to wear motorcycle jeans, I wear overpants over my regular pants.

 

[mrzuzzo]

I do wear motorcycle jeans with armor inside in the office often enough. Knees look bulky but my legs are not pretty anyway

If I do plan longer trips before or after work, or if I don't want to wear motorcycle jeans, I wear overpants over my regular pants.

Me too, but my armor is removable from the front via concealed zipper.