kingmoochr
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Seen a few driving through Pacifica, must be some employees living on the coast.
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Ev trucks - 2022+
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Seen a few driving through Pacifica, must be some employees living on the coast.
mrzuzzo
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I've seen many in the South Bay. I even talked to an owner and they were not an employee.
The 20% price hike is crazy, but so are the times we live in. Unfortunately, Rivian is just keeping up with inflation.
The 20% price hike is crazy, but so are the times we live in. Unfortunately, Rivian is just keeping up with inflation.
Killroy1999
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As I mentioned in the Investment thread, the online polls has 42% to 48% canceling orders.
The compare contrast of historic cost increases with Teslas does not look good for Rivian.
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TheRobSJ
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Yeah they’ve been doing retail deliveries since November at this point. I see at least one a week at this point.
And speaking of expensive EV pickups, GMC dealers have started seeing the Hummers start to come in.
ScarySpikes
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Not to say I don't trust someone who picks the name 'Tesla Daily', but...
I don't trust a guy who picks the name Tesla daily.
I do like the middle finger ford is giving Tesla by calling their entire EV brand 'Model e' given they blocked Tesla from using the name 'Model E' on what eventually became the model 3.
Rivian does make a good truck, but I think it was a mistake to increase prices, specifically on people with preorders. They would have been fine if they announced new pricing for any future orders and sales, it's really the 'going back on their promise' aspect that is shitty. Honestly, Telsa has gotten away with a lot of complete bullshit, pricing, overpromising and under delivering, etc., in part because at the time of a lot of it, they were basically alone on the EV market, and in part because people treat Elon Musk like a genius engineer real life Tony Stark, when in reality he is a con artist businessman.
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Killroy1999
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Yeah, good luck to Ford, they will need it. What is being discussed is that legacy automakers will have an internal conflict because EVs will eat sales of ICEs vehicles. For example, Ford Mach E sales are down 47% for the month of February year over year to ~2000.
https://insideevs.com/news/571003/us-ford-mache-sales-february2022/
Of course Tesla Daily has bias, yet if you listen to it, it leans to be objective compared to other sources. Other YouTube channels are obnoxiously fanbois.
The example that was given in the video was how Tesla did price increases for Tesla's first car model and how Rivian did price increases. Tesla seemed to do it better at it. Yet, the original Tesla Roadster was planned lower volume than Rivian as I understand. Talk is cheap when it comes to complaining about price increases. Listen to the folks that vote with their dollars.
Mainstream media has its own bias because they get paid per click, so they can always use Tesla's name to get clicks. Also, Tesla does not run adds, so mainstream media does not cosy up to Tesla like other companies.
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FXCLM5
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for your track bikeWhat about what gm is doing, they announced like a 5 billion dollar expansion with sights to be the EV king in like 5-10 years, literally calling out ford and Tesla directly.
Killroy1999
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GM's current EV track record is crap. EV Hummer may never sell in significant volume because it has such a big battery and GM has nothing yet for securing the battery supply chain.
Whenever Ford and GM's plans are analyzed, they are always planning to be #2 or #3. Hopefully, they have something up their sleeve.
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kingmoochr
WHARRGARBL
Aaaaand rivian reversed the hikes for existing pre-orders. I imagine they always had that in mind and waited to gauge the reaction of pre-order holders. Their product seems too intelligent to not have expected that reaction.
ScarySpikes
tastes like burning
There are a lot of companies that make good products but have really shitty business practices.
FXCLM5
bombaclaud
This any pr good or bad is still pr.
Tesla upped the price of the plaid yoke thingy but honored all the og preorder pricing from last year
ScarySpikes
tastes like burning
Wait....
They charge people extra for the dumb fuck, not a wheel, steering wheel thing?
mrzuzzo
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I'm pretty sure Tesla has way over 10 price hikes within the past year. Just he "fool self driving" software license costs $12K now. But the Tesla cult/Elon stans are always ecstatic about it.
FXCLM5
bombaclaud
the new tesla plaid models - there are various plaid models, but when they og released it, it was xyz pre-order price, then they hiked it up last year like 20k over, had some pr shitshow about increasing preorders to match the new price, but didnt do it.
tbh alot of mfg can just say, oh yea you preordered in 21 for a 22, but now its being delivered as a 23 model so you actually ordered and need to pay msrp for a 2023 unit.
Its happening right now with all the preorder Fords that are stuck in production last year to now, alot of dealers are getting annoyed customers since Ford just invoices under a new msrp for the new year and there is really nothing you can if they do that, you need to literally be pinging your dealer every day and screaming that you wont pay the new $1500-2k model year increase and have them pull weird shit to be able to lock down that price because if Ford ships a diff invoice, they just gonna pass it to the customer.
tbh alot of mfg can just say, oh yea you preordered in 21 for a 22, but now its being delivered as a 23 model so you actually ordered and need to pay msrp for a 2023 unit.
Its happening right now with all the preorder Fords that are stuck in production last year to now, alot of dealers are getting annoyed customers since Ford just invoices under a new msrp for the new year and there is really nothing you can if they do that, you need to literally be pinging your dealer every day and screaming that you wont pay the new $1500-2k model year increase and have them pull weird shit to be able to lock down that price because if Ford ships a diff invoice, they just gonna pass it to the customer.
Killroy1999
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Rivian, apology accepted.
It is analyzed that the decision will cost Rivian a cool $1 Billion.
It's hard to be a new automaker. You don't have any purchasing power and it's riskier to do business with you. Also, you bet B and C team suppliers. This is why the legacy automakers have been able to sit back without much new real competition.
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There's one running around WC, here. It's neat, but also not very useful as a truck. Way smaller than a Taco in the bed...
Dealerships don't know what the plan is for service revenue aside from higher holdbacks, etc. Ironically, Covid helped to get dealers pricing power back. I suspect the Big 3 will need to restrict volume to make up for lost service revenue.
berth
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I dunno. I saw a video of some guys hauling wood up and down a canyon.
The clever point that stood out was that the tailgate did not just hinged, there was a cantilever design which extends the (albeit open) bed to, I think, 7 feet. This is longer than the combined original bed size and the height of the tailgate.
The two bed sizes are 54" (4.5 ft) and 84". So lower the tailgate extends the bed floor by 30 inches. It's a really clever design. Seems to have some decent ties downs, but I think it could be better.
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To me, it wasn't just the length, it was the loadable volume. I've never seen the 84" one though...or is that w/ the tailgate down and extended? I was thinking on my way in to work today that I'd really like to sell my Ram and get the electric F150, but it's towing has me creeped for range...
Ugh.
Ugh.
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Rivian, saw one the other day in P-town. Front end (headlights in particular) are just weird, out of place.
Starting, base price is about $68K (with standard battery ~260 miles), but the Large battery pack (~314 miles - $6K) has been delayed until 2023. Not sure about the Max pack availability, but that ~400 mile battery pack will cost ya an extra $16K.
Want the Adventure Package? It starts at: $73K
Want an exterior color other than LA Silver, add another $1.74K to $2.5K
Want the 20" All-terrian wheel/tire combo add $2.5K
Want that quad motor setup add $6K
Want a different interior color other than Black, add $2K
Want that under body shield (front end skid plate, looks like alumium) add $2K
How about a full sized spare, that's another $900.00
And you're going to need a wall charger (25 miles / hour charge rate) at $750.00
Summary of Build:
Adventure Package
$73,000
Quad-Motor AWD
$6,000
Max pack
$16,000
LA Silver
Included
20" All-Terrain wheels
$2,500
02 Interior Color
Black Mountain - Included
03 Adventure Gear
Reinforced Underbody Shield
$2,000
Tow Hooks
Included
Full-size spare
$900
Estimated price $100,400.00
Oh, and Samsung makes the batteries. Sorry, hard pass for me, anything Samsung makes I don't buy. Phone battery melted, front load washer mold and door seal problems, refrigerator, ah, where to begin... sigh
Starting, base price is about $68K (with standard battery ~260 miles), but the Large battery pack (~314 miles - $6K) has been delayed until 2023. Not sure about the Max pack availability, but that ~400 mile battery pack will cost ya an extra $16K.
Want the Adventure Package? It starts at: $73K
Want an exterior color other than LA Silver, add another $1.74K to $2.5K
Want the 20" All-terrian wheel/tire combo add $2.5K
Want that quad motor setup add $6K
Want a different interior color other than Black, add $2K
Want that under body shield (front end skid plate, looks like alumium) add $2K
How about a full sized spare, that's another $900.00
And you're going to need a wall charger (25 miles / hour charge rate) at $750.00
Summary of Build:
Adventure Package
$73,000
Quad-Motor AWD
$6,000
Max pack
$16,000
LA Silver
Included
20" All-Terrain wheels
$2,500
02 Interior Color
Black Mountain - Included
03 Adventure Gear
Reinforced Underbody Shield
$2,000
Tow Hooks
Included
Full-size spare
$900
Estimated price $100,400.00
Oh, and Samsung makes the batteries. Sorry, hard pass for me, anything Samsung makes I don't buy. Phone battery melted, front load washer mold and door seal problems, refrigerator, ah, where to begin... sigh
Tally Whacker
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The obvious answer for towing range issues is battery packs on the trailers. It'll only be a short amount of time before we see that solution.