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Former UFC HW Champ arrested for attempted murder

When it comes down to it, killing someone can be very messy. Vigilantes are usually seeking justice, I mean quick justice for a situation that will drag on in the court system. Right or wrong? I could not see myself murdering anybody truthfully.

not even a keyboard gansta.
 
They're not after justice, they are 100% after revenge driven by their rage.

Revenge serves no purpose for society, and society doesn't owe individuals vengeance.
 
correct-revenge, jealousy and rage are not easy emotions to contain. Behaviorally can lead to violence.
The outrage!
 
We have a system in place because the average idiot, with no training or education in anything pertinent, gets it wrong most of the time. If vigilante justice got it right, nobody would have even thought about creating another system, it would just be the justice system.
 
I have enjoyed watching him in the old days, very powerful and high fighter iq. Doesn't make what he did right but understandable from varying perspectives. I support him but not what he did in this situation.
 
If it's considered a reasonable reaction to murder someone for vengeance it would be legal to murder someone for vengeance.
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...yfriend-no-hero-grieving-family-says-rcna5353

But Sorensen’s parents told NBC News that to save himself from a long prison sentence, Eisenman and his family are demonizing a developmentally disabled young man who was born with autism and cerebral palsy and who has no ties to sex traffickers.
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I bet a lot of people supported the murder when they believed this dude was sex trafficking the daughter.

“During that encounter Eisenman abducted the victim, tying him up and placing him in the trunk of a vehicle,” the release states. “Eisenman subsequently assaulted the victim by hitting him in the head with a cinder block and then stabbed him repeatedly, causing his death. After the homicide, Eisenman drove the vehicle to a remote area in North Spokane County and abandoned the car with the body still inside.”
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What a hero.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
They're not after justice, they are 100% after revenge driven by their rage.

Revenge serves no purpose for society, and society doesn't owe individuals vengeance.
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You've got it wrong.

Justice is part of the equation, but there is definitely rage involved as well.

We do have a broken system, California has over 82k registered sex offenders and at one time 33k were unaccounted for.

Personally, I think that they get off too easy in many cases. Their sentence is short but the impact to their victim(s) last a lifetime. They might have 'paid their debt' to society when they get released, but they will never pay their debt to their victim(s).

Often, their victims get victimized at least once again during trial, most defense lawyers will absolutely savage their victims. This is why there are far more rapes than those reported. There is likely (far) more than 4 times the number of actual rapists and molesters than convicted rapists and molesters.

I have absolutely zero sympathy for what happens to a molester.
 
Alleged molester.

So what you're saying is the law should apply differently for different people accused of different crimes?

Are you saying it's ok for vigilantism to compensate for insufficient sentencing? Like they're not ok with the sentence, it's ok to take the law into their own hand?
 
HappyHighwayman said:
Alleged molester.

So what you're saying is the law should apply differently for different people accused of different crimes?

Are you saying it's ok for vigilantism to compensate for insufficient sentencing? Like they're not ok with the sentence, it's ok to take the law into their own hand?
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Don't try to put words in my mouth.

You tried to say that justice wasn't involved, I said it likely was.

I'm not promoting vigilantism, but I'm saying it's understandable, especially when it doesn't look like the legal system will do something about it.

An 'alleged'? That's just a legal term that the press has adopted. I sickens me when somebody shoots another in front of numerous witnesses and they use the term 'alleged', which is just plain nonsensical.

As to this particular case? We don't know how damning the evidence of abuse was. Obviously, Cain thought it was sufficient for his actions, but we don't know the details. For all you know that boy came home with massive stretch marks and bleeding in his anus. Would that still be 'alleged' to you?
 
Climber said:
I'm not promoting vigilantism, but I'm saying it's understandable, especially when it doesn't look like the legal system will do something about it.
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The time to decide whether the legal system will do something about it is after the process runs its course. That hadn't happened in this case.

As a father, I'd be outraged too but would like to think I'd do what would be the greatest good for my family. Most of the time, that would be working within a legal framework.

Running a car off the road and shooting the accused's father doesn't begin to approach justice. Cain may normally be a wonderful guy, but that decision and action was abysmally stupid. To try to hide it behind Bushido Code does a disservice to Bushido.
 
I'd say spending the rest of his life in prison negative is greater than the alleged positivity of extra judicial executions.
 
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HappyHighwayman said:
Alleged molester.

So what you're saying is the law should apply differently for different people accused of different crimes?

Are you saying it's ok for vigilantism to compensate for insufficient sentencing? Like they're not ok with the sentence, it's ok to take the law into their own hand?
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HEY! Did you see the reunion show for Love is Blind Season 2?

If not: Spoiler alert!

There's this guy, his name is "Shake" and he's the epitome of butt hole lint but doesn't realize it. Everyone from the season (including the hosts) tries to tell him his shit stinks like everyone else's and he fails to see that. You're kinda up there with him. Just thought I'd point it out. I dunno what angle you're trying to get at (or if you're just trying to be edgy), and as annoying as it is, it does provide some comedic relief in a shitty news story that we don't have the same information as the parties involved do.

(I just had to log in to say that. Feel free to respond, but I probably wont see it for a few weeks.)

Putting this comment back since i've been quoted anyways.
 
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Clutchaclese said:
"Deadly Weapons" - you've seen too many cheesy fight movies.
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It's a pretty divided case study. Although the case i saw in regarding this, the defendant pleaded guilty. So the issue never played out in court.

https://combatsportslaw.com/2015/11...-deemed-deadly-weapons-in-texas-assault-case/

But different states might rule differently.

https://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/4th/16/1023.html

Just in case you are thinking i meant the cheesy movie quote "my hands are registered as deadly weapons" The only place this is required is Guam for US states/territories.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-culture/fighters-register-hands-weapons/


also, yes....i have seen a lot of cheesy movies
 
HappyHighwayman said:
I'd say spending the rest of his life in prison negative is greater than the alleged positivity of extra judicial executions.
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You're not a fan of the whole, "I hate pedo criminals so I'm going to spend the rest of my life surrounded by pedo criminals" thing..?
 
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