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Front license plates - do we really need 'em?

Should front license plates be a requirement on vehicles?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 17.1%

  • No

    Votes: 41 58.6%

  • Bacon

    Votes: 17 24.3%
  • Total voters
    70
LMAO front plates have been required for at least 60 years. Just because enforcement is inconsistent doesn't make it optional lol
 
Just speaking from experience;
not in juxtaposition to pay to get in Barts entry gates, If it’s . unenforced makes it optional..
 
There's a difference between "being optional" and "getting away with it"
 
As is tinted windows, front plates have been driven by LEO "officer safety" arguments. Oddly, other states allow one, the other, or both- yet no data has been presented showing a higher officer safety delta. Much like many California laws...no afterward efficacy follow-up seems in place.
 
Escape pod said:
yes, it does.
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100% :laughing
Abacinator said:
:rofl
I love how confidently wrong you are!
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That is living the dream! :laughing
Abacinator said:
There's a difference between "being optional" and "getting away with it"
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Yo... I am a playa!!

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I'm surprised that CA hasn't gotten rid of front plates simply based on cost reduction.

Tangent: CA is going to run out of numbers soon:

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Enchanter said:
One challenge is that the sticker plates must be retroreflective, and I'm sure that there is a spec for the percentage of light they must reflect.
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Yup. If this ever moves beyond the pilot program, a manufacturer would have to certify that it contains the same retroreflective properties as a normal license plate.
Climber said:
Why not?
It's just an image, even if you're not paying over $100 for some company to rip you off with their own printed vinyl?
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Like Enchanter pointed out, it would need the same retroreflective properties of a normal license plate to be legal.

And for the time being, it's a limited pilot program and only one company is authorized to make them. The way CVC laws are written, making your own would be a crime.
 
NorCalBusa said:
As is tinted windows, front plates have been driven by LEO "officer safety" arguments. Oddly, other states allow one, the other, or both- yet no data has been presented showing a higher officer safety delta. Much like many California laws...no afterward efficacy follow-up seems in place.
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Many a DUI drivers have been removed from the roads due to the original stop being base on no front plate or tinted front windows. It's not always a bad thing that so many people effectively give police permission to stop them any time they want to.
 
Hi, am really curious about the cost of fix it tickets. Have they really gone up from the 10 bucks so they went to you after they used to be free? I have some Internet searching to do before I bug you guys
 
It is my understanding that fix-it tickets ($25 last time I got one) are being issued differently than they were many years ago. I’ve been told by a few cops that intentional violations are being written as ‘non-correctable’. No front plate, tinted windows, and loud exhausts were the examples given as intentional violations. IOW, you’re required to correct the problem AND you pay the entire fine. Having a light out is an example of an unintentional violation.
 
NorCalBusa said:
As is tinted windows, front plates have been driven by LEO "officer safety" arguments. Oddly, other states allow one, the other, or both- yet no data has been presented showing a higher officer safety delta. Much like many California laws...no afterward efficacy follow-up seems in place.
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Ok I'm legitimately curious...what is the officer safety argument about with regard to front license plates?
 
Saw this...

A major change is coming to San Francisco's parking rules
Starting Monday, the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency will be cracking down on drivers who park within 20 feet of any crosswalk — marked or unmarked — as part of a statewide daylighting law passed in January that aims to improve pedestrian safety. “Daylighting” describes the improved visibility for both drivers and pedestrians when there are no vehicles obstructing intersections or potentially preventing them from seeing one another, per a news release from SFMTA.

“For pedestrians, daylighting means that they don’t have to venture into the intersection and peek around parked cars to see if they have a clear path to cross,” the news release read. “This is especially important for children, who are less visible at intersections.”
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Notably, California Assembly Bill 413, sponsored by assemblymember Alex Lee and signed into law by Gov. Gavin Newsom, does not require cities to implement new signage or repaint every affected curb. The warning period serves as a way to raise awareness of the policy in San Francisco before SFMTA starts issuing $40 citations come Jan. 1, 2025.
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I see the value in providing more visibility for both crosswalks and drivers trying to pull out, but the part about not repainting the curb is something that some cities will likely exploit if history has a say in things like this.
 
Kornholio said:
And special enforcement is a cash grab? Do you deny you were on a public roadway without the front plate? :laughing
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Yes, "Special Enforcement, " most certainly is a cash grab.

Despite the fact that I bought this car from a licensed dealer in the State of CA without a Front Plate, registered ownership without being called out for not having a front plate, and have renewed registration numerous times without any inspection of said missing front plate and have never owned one for it, if enforcement had happened during normal enforcement hours, I would be annoyed, but have no complaints, much like with speeding tickets. If you are out doing shit, you know you are doing it, you're grown, sometimes you get pinched. Fair.

I am fundamentally extremely hostile to the damage done to our Democracy by making enforcement of law a means by which the State can generate cash for itself.

Putting out Special Enforcement Tours with the express purpose of writing tickets for victimless infractions is a clear direct effort to use said enforcement as an attempt to generate revenue, which by its very defined purpose, is a, "Cash Grab."
 
AbsolutEnduser said:
They definitely do send out maids in SF on “off hours”, for parking calls, just takes as long and longer.



Haha. True. But they do exist. Additionally , I think the only “stick” on front plate as mentioned ten posts above, I saw on a Tesla … someone is sticking to them laws!
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Yes, for parking calls (blocked driveways, blue and red curb parking), but like I said, nothing like that in the area to justify this as a, "may as well since I'm here," while doing other enforcement on call.
 
Don't stop in a crosswalk...

I can't be in it, now I can't even be too close. I can't move over to the right, bike lane. Can't move to the left, bus/taxi lane. Certainly can't be in the intersection itself.

I've been in SF gridlock. Watched cycle-after-cycle of traffic signals waiting legally behind the crosswalk. Eventually, I must break the law to proceed on my journey. F the city in which I was born.
 
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